gotterdamerung

I will someday. I'll bring my friends. They'll love the liberals. Hope Dave Schuldt is there too. It will be like a big group hug. Anyway. Although I hold most politicians in contempt the more I read the more I am convinced that John Kerry is an enormous ass clown and not fit to be president. I'll take a warring Crusader president over a Jane Fonda worshipping, purple heart posturing dick like Kerry anyday. If Bush wins...hey boys welcome to the machine. You're all going to get drafted.

You're probably right Greg. Some types of people don't even deserve the time of day. Just another loser in life with an opinion that is protected by the people he denigrates. What a fucking jerk-off.

Ya know I really tried to answer you with alot of restraint after you posting shit that could legitimately get you knocked the fuck out. Perspective. I was just sitting with some marines on R&R from up north. Talk about some down to earth, friendly, eyes wide open, and extremely dedicated crew. Beck, you wouldn't even deserve to stand in these guys shadows. As far as I am now concerned you are the biggest pissant on this fucking planet and I plan on gracing each and every PUBE club after I get home until you get the balls to come stand face to face and spew your bullshit rhetoric.

And if Arabs keep hanging mutilated bodies off bridges, murdering Americans, issuing religious Fatwas declaring all Americans are the object of Jihad, breaking truces, trying to create anarchy to promote their ends, etc, etc, good Americans like yourself will simply turn the other cheek?

Beck, I understand that Doonesbury has a distinctively liberal tone. I thought it was a good cartoon characterizing the current situation here in this country. If you right click on the image and view the properties for it you will see where the image came from. I would say from your response that you are a completely uninformed individual with a poorly thought out opinion. It's hard for me to even justify much of what you wrote with a response. You should stick to Teddy Suxpin and forget about trying to engage in debate that you can only participate in because the library was open.

Uh yeah whatever. Did you forget who we are dealing with over here?

I've been out of the states 226 days since last July and I still managed to get about 40+ days of skiing in, plus a few days of climbing. Spray ratio is not bad considering...

Wormfood. Tele_Nut(2-the other one) served in Somalia demonstrating his action. Reagan and Bush are head and shoulders above Kerry as leaders. Kerry is a errant missile with no target. Soldier's Letter to Kerry Dear Senator Kerry: Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect. You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy. In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early . My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East . Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos. As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability . I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win . Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win? Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight. Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No ! Sincerely, Michael Connelly February 14, 2004 Dallas, Texas

You gotta climb faster than you did LawGoddess to enjoy it. Pokey.

I bet some of you pounding your 5.11 bird chests would be just great in front of an audience of millions. I also bet you would make great presidents from the way you talk. I'm deeply and profoundly impressed.

True patriots show their colors

I know all the way from the top here people are pretty pissed off. I haven't see the photos or heard many specifics (I don't watch much news), but from what I have heard General Sanchez hit the roof and heads are going to roll. Unfortunately, the damage has been done, and NO you cannot hold the entire chain of command responsible unless they were aware of these actions (even indirectly) and did not act. I know that the Brigadier General in charge of Abu Gharaib is probably going to fry too, and for a one star to fry that's a pretty big deal. My hats off to the soldier or soldiers who came forward and reported this shit. I see shit like this and even I have to hang my head down and begin to wonder if it's not time for us to get the fuck oughtta this shithole. War has a way of simutaneously bringing out the best and worst in people. At least we live in a society where often we face up to our mistakes. If this had been done in Saudi Arabia or some detention camp in Pakistan not one word would have reached the wire. Nonetheless, this is an act that has brought great discredit to our work being done here. Whoever posted that bit from the Tallahasse newsline. I would remind you that the militants know very well that when they initiate military action against the coalition that there will be gunplay. The Coalition acts in defense of itself when these acts are propagated against them. The militant factions do not care at all if THEIR OWN PEOPLE whether civilian or otherwise get in the way.

130,000 votes from here will nullify your illusion of entitlement.

And it's really important what "THEY" say SO HEY! Get it together around here people and start acting like mature and responsible climbers. Some examples to emulate!! John Long...well Ok nevermind. How about Ron Fawcett? Well that doesn't work too well either does it? John Dunne? No, too hostile. Don Whillans? No, too hostile. Tom Patey? No, too insolent. John Bachar? Hmmm...Too stoned... Ron Kauk?...Please... Scott Burk? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA Scott Fischer? Ooops...my bad. Mark Jenkins? Didn't he fall asleep on Shivling and almost freeze to death jumaring? He might need to thaw out some brain cells first... Aahh forget it. Whoever *THEY* are *THEY* are fooling themselves. Fucking knobs.

I didn't post this. I merely saw it and responded to it.

Ben Thomas is a good friend of mine. He's quite a character. He was one of the 8 Blackwater personnel who repelled the assault on CPA/Najaf, and has been credited with saving the life of a 10th Mountain Division soldier east of Fallujah after an IED attack killed their platoon leader. He and the other BW contractors then secured the LT's body because the soldiers in the incident were afraid to enter the area of the IED. Ben was a short course SEAL medic. The rounds he carried cost somewhere in the neighborhood of about $8.00 a piece. I believe the boxes are stamped HAARP2 and the tip of the round appeared to be platinum. North of Basra we fired some rounds over some Bedohuins (sp?) heads to dissuade them from approaching us any further. They have a loud report. After I fired a few into a berm I observed this same ammunition careening back and forth in an obvious heavy top spin. The evidence of the report leads me to believe that they also have an enhanced burn. I was told that this type of round will burn the barrel out an M4 in no time. At the time I was carrying an 11.5 inch M4. I continued to carry 5 at the top of each magazine. He gave me 2 boxes of them when I was living in East Baghdad, but I left them there for my collegues when I returned home after my 1st 5 month stint. I haven't seen any of those rounds floating around since then.

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lI1|1! isn't gay motherfucker sort of a contradiction? I mean if I were gay I wouldn't want my mom now would I? Keep up the good work on learning how to use photoshop little guy. You're getting there. Does your mom know you use language like that online? Time to change the parental controls on your AOL. Real Madrid is a damned good football team. They really like the game over here and will play it on their breaks quite a bit. I see alot of Iraqi's busting hoops too. Darrin, thanks for responding to my call for a more featured discussion, and congrats on your climb of Polar Circus. I *warmed* up on Carlsberg Column one winter thinking that I would hit Polar Circus the day after, but CC shriveled my nuts so badly I ended up at Haffner Creek milking topropes. You want my opinion? Well, I was just sitting in the dining facility talking to some of my cohorts after volunteering to do a 90 day stint over here after June 30th. One other guy sitting across from me also volunteered. He looked up and jokingly said that he has this Billy Joel song going through his head now. Ya know, the one that goes "And we'll all go down together...". >>>Is a united and democratic Iraq still a feasible outcome? Honestly? From what I've seen...probably unlikely. The 3 factions have always been and continue to be deeply divided for one. For two, there is no history of democracy in this region. Three, religion is obviously a strong influence on the population and according to Quranic Law the mixing of humanistic and God's law is an affront to Allah. This is one of the central tenants of the current round of terrorism. They believe that they must adhere to the Prophet or else they are blasphemers. Obviously not everyone is nearly as hardcore as those guys, but they do hear the words and it creates doubt. >>>>outcome? If it was a feasible outcome in the beginning is it possible that we have made a series of choices (and failures) that prevent it from being so now? Now it seems the choice will be made by the Iraqi's themselves. They have lived under both a Totalitarian Regime and a Imperialistic Empire in recent history. Saddam understood that to govern in this divided country he had to be heavy handed. He ruled through fear. Something we do not want to promote ourselves. If we did, there would fewer Americans dying everyday because we would have maintained the initiative vis a vis military control. The Iraqi's decide their own fate. We cannot make them become democratic. We have been and are giving them all the tools to succeed. It is their own lack of understanding about the world and their own potential that are limiting or destroying this chance for them. This is the crux of the problem, and we are trying to establish friendly relations with Iraqi's who are sympathetic to democracy while comprehending the benefits it can bring to their society. Alot of it is outside influence and of course the cleric Sadr who want Muslims to return to the stone age (literally). The area known as Fallujah is predominately a Baathist stronghold. They have lost alot of power here, and they are simpply fighting because they are pissed off. They are now facing total extermination for their errant ways in building this new country. They seem to be OK with that. So be it. Strict Islam is a very narrow minded religion. It is intolerant of anything the Quran does not say. I don't think we have done anything here except try to assist them time and time again in their enterprises. Do I think it's worth even one American life? Well, if we back out now then no it was not worth it. If we take it home and finish the job then I think it has been. Once again, the outcome is on the Iraqi's shoulders come June 30th. >>>>My take on all this is that through sheer political arrogance, the use of force (~10,000 civilians dead), disrespect of Islamic culture, a lack of security for the people, an infective rebuilding effort (power, water so forth) America has really lost any chance of bringing a stable, democratic government to Iraq. Political arrogance is a good term. After the fall of the Soviet Empire, incidentally an empire the Arab world feared far more than the United States, we stood alone on a pinnacle. The Middle East is a complex region and to view Iraq as a gestalt is not seeing the larger picture. In a nutshell I would say that it was a strategic decision based on long term goals in this region. It has become an achilles heel for us. The rebuilding effort has been a mixture of success and failure. The average Iraqi engineer is light years behind and the amount of supplies is limited. Rebuilding projects are done using Iraqi labor and as much as possible Iraqi foremen and engineers. They do not stack up well with our standards of utility. They are often slow, there is a communication barrier, and most of their work is shoddy and half assed. No Core of Engineer can spend all day supervising a few menial tasks. I place the blame for slow reconstruction on underqualified Iraqi's and the slowness of appropriating supplies in a dangerous environment.

You're immature statement regarding the reasons for the American presense in Iraq demonstrates to me your failure to understand much of anything about foreign policy *except* for what you have been told by some indymedia lamers. Your completely inane statement regarding Saddam Hussein who was captured months ago demonstrates your disassociation with events occurring in the world. Your further statement regarding WMD also shows me how little you understand about the situation currently evolving with Syria. But hey, you're a simpleton so what should I expect. Take some more acid and forget about it. If you'd like to come over and walk a day in my shoes sometime I'm sure you would be a little less concerned about the amount of time I have to spend in front a computer everyday. I get the chance to be killed about as much as anyone around this shithole. The fact that I get unlimited access to a computer shows status turd. Where are you getting your PC access? The library? The reason I know what the FBI standards are is because I have friends in the FBI. The reason I post here is succinctly seperate from what you propose. I certainly don't hold others opinions as dog shit. I take an opposite vein in order to hear them. Most often though they contain little in the way of substance, hence the barbs. I have yet to read too many reasonable liberal opinions on this board. Not that there aren't intelligent people posting here, but gauging by the knee jerk-off responses it is reasonable to assume that they really down deep couldn't give a shit. They just like to hear themselves talk. It's the internet and I'm just passing time in between events where I can get my ass blown off. I don't drive a truck, serve food, or load airplanes. This once again shows your current lack of information level. I bet if we were occupied by the Finns you'd be one of those type trying to work in their camp as a laundry boy. Hey Chogi! As far as a job reference I don't give references for Kmart or Labor Ready.

Are you sure he didn't get that beta from Volken?

I don't think I EVER once said war was the coolest thing since sliced bread. The way people tag other people's opinions on this site is hilarious. Nor, have I referenced people as cowards for not supporting the issues at hand. What I implied is that there are alot of priviledged persons on this website who are so eager to voice their opinions about something they have no firsthand knowledge of. Hating war is supposed to be a noble action in this enlightened culture, however it does not seem that some of our enemies feel as sheltered from events at hand as you do. Furthermore, many of the opinions on this board are so uninformed it's almost a waste of time to even justify them with a retort. Let me also remind all of you that you all seem to be pretty brazen with your comments when it's like a dog pile of opinion against mine. Clearly this community is a bastion of liberal thought processes and precisely why I hang around. I like keeping track of you toads. Clinton inhaled, Bush snorts coke, and Beck takes acid. Doesn't mean that any of you are deformed or anything. It's merely a character reference and evidence of one's personal judgement. Everyone makes bad judgement calls or has the desire to know firsthand about what something might be like. Nothing wrong with that in my mind. The FBI would probably not hire someone with evidence of having used marijuana 15 times, although I am of the strong opinion that alcohol is far more damaging.

Exactly. The problem with liberals is they want it both ways or try to change the rules to suit their own ends. Born and raised in sunny Colorado.

Beck, no you're shooting blanks. Public admission of LSD usage is an immediate disqualifier for about 90% of the jobs in the US today. Congratulations, welcome to the welfare state.

I don't work for KBR. This is who I work for Toad BW Who do you work for? WalMart?