southernmtguide

Hey EB, I think we should all stay away from Off widths!

Anyone on the Eastside? I have an eight year old that is starting to catch the bug.

90%, really. Where did you find this out at?

neclimbs.com

Multnomah Falls.

The Cable was almost touching down yesterday. Even Cowgirls get the Blues was in, a bit thin, but leadable. Should get better with the weather we have forecast for the next week or so.

The Cable is coming in, about 15 feet off the deck. Thanks to whomever beefed up the anchor this weekend.. Even Cowgirls Get the Blues was led yesterday. Going to be a good week if it stays cold.

Has anyone been out to Banks Lake, Copper Falls, Stevens over the past weekend? Any good news as to any ice in condition?

Made a quick drive over to Banks this morning, should have stayed home. Nothing really in. Conditions are sparse to say the least. The best formed route was The Cable, and that was little more than thick verglass. The deathsickles above the Punchbowl have come in, but everything below them is crap. So, save yourself some time, and head somewhere else for the next couple weeks.

Has anyone been out to Banks the past few days, and if so, anything in yet?

I got my book today. All I have to say is go and buy it today! The book is fantastic. I have never seen a nicer guidebook. I wish all guides could be this well done. JoJo, keep up the great work!

Dude, you are so wrong about my involvement here. I am an adult, with a free mind and spirit. I posted the questions on this board, directed to you in regards to the meeting on my on volition, not my boss's. I asked what the results of the meeting were here in a public forum not to "stir up the pot" but to find out what your proposed course of action was to be, and how all climbers involved could get involved and provide input.I also do not consider asking you questions in this forum to be a "pissing match" as you stated. Just trying to figure out where you were taking us. I did ask Michael to tell me about the meeting, and I heard his version. The reason I posted was because I thought the community should also know of the meeting, and the results. I, as well as many others still do not know what your proposed solution to this mess is. Why dont you let everyone know what you want to see as an end result?

No problem. I should have said that the reply was based on two seperate threads.

To clarify: Dane did; "Thanks Hero" thread. Starts "Hey Gary,How about instead of a pissing match with me, do something useful and schedule your own meeeting with the BOD and then lets all wait to see what they come up with as a management plan at Dishman...and how we can all help?"

Dude, you are so wrong about my involvement here. I am an adult, with a free mind and spirit. I posted the questions on this board, directed to you in regards to the meeting on my on volition, not my boss's. I asked what the results of the meeting were here in a public forum not to "stir up the pot" but to find out what your proposed course of action was to be, and how all climbers involved could get involved and provide input.I also do not consider asking you questions in this forum to be a "pissing match" as you stated. Just trying to figure out where you were taking us. I did ask Michael to tell me about the meeting, and I heard his version. The reason I posted was because I thought the community should also know of the meeting, and the results. I, as well as many others still do not know what your proposed solution to this mess is. Why dont you let everyone know what you want to see as an end result?

Well, I did ask the man "20 feet away from my desk" otherwise I would not have even known to ask about the "Meeting", seeing as it was not mentioned in any of your posts. That is something I really do not understand. Why the secrecy in this meeting betwwen you and the Board of Directors of the Water District? If you truly have the best interests of Spokane climbing and climbers at heart, one would think that their would be some open, public dialog between you, and the Spokane climbing community that you have taken responsibility for represeting. What exactly did you present to the Board as a "Plan" for Dishman? Granted, most on the participants on this board have no problem with the 3 points you have made in regards to your stance on ethics at Dishman. Those are yours and others opinions. It is also cool that you have literaly put your money where your mouth is, and paid for a full page ad in Rock and Ice. What I think you are missing is the fact that you, and you alone do not represent all of the climbers that utilise Dishman. It is not right that you think that you know what is best for all and keep everyone out of the loop so you can push forth your agenda, whatever that may be. I know that right before the meeting, you asked the Access Fund Representative, the "man I sit 20 feet away from" not to present at the meeting, because his, and The Access Funds Mission Statement was at odds with what your new goups Mission Statement was. Most climbers agree that The Access Fund is a voice of reason, and represents all climbers well, and has a good public voice. One that is not driven by ego, or hidden agendas. So, I guess the point of this post is to ask that you to post an extract of what you presented to the Board of Directors on Monday, and open it up for discussion with any who really care.

So, It has been 24 hours since a meeting between Dane and the Water District that owns the land at Dishman. Why no posting or reports as to what transpired there. I was under the impression that a proposal was being presented by Dane to the Water Disrict that would affect the future of access and climbing there.I dont understand why no one is talking about this, when everyone has been so prolific up to now. On another note, my new Rock and Ice magazine hit the office, and I spent a few minutes trying to figure out the full page ad taken out in it that showed 4 pictures of what apears to be Dishman. What is the message? Who paid for this, and what is the point? Someone is really fueling the fires.

Thanks for the clarification. No harm done and the lady just needs to lighten up. What does one expect at Smith on a Fall weekend.

How did the first party complete the route with your wife on it. Did your wife clean the first party's gear, or did the first party's belayer second the route, passing your wife?

Has there been any contact with those that were at the REI Meeting that had been in favor of the bolts, etc. since the discovery of the re-bolting? From the reports that were both posted online and from people that had been present, I thought the majority of those individuals were also in favor of cleaning up Dishman as well. Perhaps they can help persuade whomever re-bolted the routes to clean up their mess. And I do mean mess in a most literal way. What I saw yesterday was new bolts placed inches away from broken studs. Even the most clueless person happening upon this crag will be able to sense that something insidious is happening at this crag.

I was not at the clean-up last weekend, as I was climbing in Leavenworth with my family, nor have I ever climbed at Dishman until today. I went there today mainly out of curiosity, and to see what all the fuss was about. I have to say that I was impressed with what I climbed, and the area in general.Dishman is a special urban crag that needs to be kept open. I do not know much about the history of this particular crag, nor do I know any of the "players" in this situation. I do know from past experiences that if the climbers of Spokane can not come to terms, then the crag's future is in jeporady. Someone that can be non-judgmental and act as a mediator needs to step up, and broker a deal that all can live with. Obviously this is an emotionaly charged issue, that has a lot of people up in arms. I propose that nothing gets chopped or added untill all can get together and see if some accord can be arranged. Whoever re-bolted the crag needs to step up and admit and justify what they have done. Do not let this get more out of hand than it is at present. Thoughts? http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=7618&sort=1&cat=503&page=1

Yeah you are right, disregard the post and my thoughts, it is just gear. It was just for information. You can check them out when someone else has them and see if you like them then. Peace

Not a rep. I work for Omega Pacific. I am just posting about it due to all of the requests for information that we have received. Honestly, even if I did not work for Omega I would be pretty stoked about this cam. I have been using cams since the first day they came out, and this device is going to change the way we can climb. I would hope that everyone will reserve judegment on the cams until they actually get to see and use them. I have, and I am amazed so far. Others that have used them share my feelings. So, sorry if it seems as if I am "pushing", I am only responding to requests, and this is a fairly easy way to do it.

Thought people may want to check out the number 1 and 2. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=36259