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Are there products comparable to Superfeet at a cheaper price?

A question might be whether there are any peaks in Olympics that haven't seen an ascent as of 2010. This depending mostly on definition of "peak." Winter FAs would be another question of interest. Not being particularly informed, I'd assume for obvious reasons, there are fair number. On the other hand, who cares? Seems there are "lines" that haven't been ascended. Given nature of Olympics, this may remain true until whenever humans go back to knawing on fungus for sustanance and survival. Still 'n all, as extremely pedestrian mountaineer mu'self, here's to y'all discovering the "New Classics" and certainly to those writing "rock climbing guidebooks" for the area.

Not to disagree with above suggestions & views, but a general point about Olympics is, there are considerably more opportunities for loop-type hikes of reasonably short duration on well-marked trails than in North Cascades. Also, there is a fair possibility that when somebody says 30-50 miles, they'd be happy with 20-30 miles.

Oh yes the Prada handbags are FAKE FAKE FAKE!!! OMG what a ripoff!!! The brand is all wrong. Can't y'all see??? This will cause you endless embarrassment and maybe sudden death when you realize this, high upon your next winter assault upon Changa Bang Nort Face (products)!!! How, oh how, could anybody irresponsibly suggest that you purchase anything like this, except from Bloomingdale's??

Yeah, and as I'm sure you climb exclusively on big walls in Alaska Range in Winter, (with Rainier climbs in January for fun) then....you'll definitely need more than a sheet of builders' plastic. Given the certainty of this, then it's doubtless that Co2 doesn't cause climate change......and heck...anything's possible, really.......UFOs probably......... I always spend every dime I've got on the most expensive things I can afford.......Recently, I discovered elegant Fondue Parties....puts 'em on my American Express Card.....

Yeah NYT people are all about propaganda. Relevance of K-Mart tent is, if people "scaled" their equipment requirements to reality-- their real objectives-- this could be helpful. Think SUVs for grocery shopping. Buy a North Face Tent AND a K-Mart tent. You'll send lots of money to China; much more for NF tent. Using K-Mart tent when appropriate, will save NF tent and make it last longer, possibly 'till you're dead. Ultimately, more money will be available to banks, society, for investment. Maybe in technology that will reduce greenhouse gas? Maybe in Tacoma condos. Certainly your personal bank account will look better.

Fairweather is simply unable to interpret reality, apart from the extremely complex data regarding which he may have some misguided interest. He's a seriously good guy, and since his disability is a serious and signficant personal handicap, he does deserves our sympathies. We can offer to help, but probably, there is little that can be accomplished. He's like a severe crack addict, wedded to his fate and favorite television programs. ...yeah I almost always use a (non-waterproof) grossly overpriced bivy these days. Currently lacking actual "tent" in whatever format, one doesn't require a "piece of shit" groundsheet. However, I indeed used a K-Mart equivalent to the Wenzel Starlite with complete satisfaction for about ten years of extensive "3-season" experiences, and I do believe they/it are/is/was, equal to many bits of "piece of shit" merchandise now available, and fairly effective, at retail, for about $100-$500.

I'd ask Fairweather, again, whether he can produce alternate analysis of NOAA "data" that has thousands of climatologists convinced regarding anthro warming or whatever. Of course he can't, but instead, offers us an opinion apparently based on Glen Beck television. Great that you've finally got reception in Tacoma....Gives ya'll something novel...

Builders' plastic is a piece of shit that is utilitarian. The world looks flat, but the media claims it's round. I haven't seen the data, & am suspicious of people who are good at math.

Fairweather can't offer an interpretation OF THE DATA any more than I can, but rather only an opinion based on Glen Beck's latest show or his reading of WorldNet Daily or whatever. Fairweather, bless him, actually believes the data don't exist. Doesn't understand that there aren't a few scientists coordinating or conspiring, but rather, thousands of scientists who are, to a signficant extent, competing to prove each other wrong.

You said "favorites" rather than classic, which are obvious. I'd say east face of Mix-Up. Most likely to get done only through lack of judgment. Relatively solid rock and turf, mainly quite easy. A truly pointless, pleasant route to nowhere if one doesn't acutally bother struggling to summit.

Fairweather, you ask about "data" as though you are capable of evaluating it. About as likely that I can evaluate the same stuff. I don't much like or respect doctors, but if a half-dozen of them independently tell me I've got cancer, I'd probably go with that. I could, however, visit a hundred additional doctors, find one who tells me I'm fine, and stick with that opinion, because the others I'd figure are greedy rich liberals who want my insurance money (though have none). Is that a fair analogy? (But wait, since they're wrong, and I'm a Democrat, that'd be six doctors I could sue!! This could work out really well for me!!! I'll split proceeds with you. Thanks for the tip!!)

"Where's the data" The data is on various pages of this web site http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/ Perhaps Fairweather can explain it all.

Fairweather would probably die.

so true

Beating one of my many dead horses... Dyson the well-known and ancient genius skeptic, (whose son had ultra-lux kayak shop in Bellingham) thinks large plantations of genetically altered trees can suck up the vast Co2 quantities that Fairweather's Pentacostal Church farts and breaths out in Tacoma. Dyson (citizen of Socialist England) says this will solve any problems caused by contrarians who enjoy attention for wacky views.

FW (perhaps too much television?) thinks there's a NASA study underway regarding soot in the arctic. Actually, it was completed three or four years ago. The two (2) researchers involved believe that sooty snow caused up to 19 percent of the Earth's total warming to date. "Greenhouse gases, which trap outgoing energy, are primarily responsible for the remaining temperature increase and are considered the Earth’s most important overall climate changing mechanism."

Cutting carbon dioxide output may save some lives in Bangladesh or similar swamplands populated by millions of destitute people. But the probability appears to be that the Doug Fir/Cedar/Whatnot forests of PNW coast are already doomed. Little glaciers? Don't think so. Yeah whatever. Alternate energy may help at the margins. Dyson's idea might be more useful in sucking up Co2 from cheap mini-cars... and the North Face/Mountain GEar/Wal-Mart toy factories in Asia. Neither Fairweather's wishful thinking nor Obama's politicking is going to stop this.

Dyson thinks a solution may be finding a means of absorbing carbon dioxide, which he believes may be through engineering trees. Dr. Fairweather, (Father, Rev.?? Fairweather?) (not quite up to Dyson's credentials) thinks there isn't a problem. If I could afford a doctor, I might or might not listen to his/her advice.

Dyson presents the essential relevant data and suggests this could be addressed by giant plantations of genetically engineered trees that can suck up excess carbon dioxide. He adds: "Many of the skeptics are passionate environmentalists. They are horrified to see the obsession with global warming distracting public attention from what they see as more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet, including problems of nuclear weaponry, environmental degradation, and social injustice. "

When/IF my doctor says I'm gonna die of cancer in three months, there is certainly a chance he will be wrong. But I'd definitely get my affairs in order at that point. Maybe even study up on cancer............... Dyson's article, as can be expected, gets quickly to real heart of data, about which Fairweather will never know, and which offers a rather poor prognosis. Though pushing 90 years old, Dyson is rather hopeful (and skeptical).

Fairweather, who is a really upstanding person, is nonetheless demonstrably ill-equipped to evaluate current events. He's easily duped and therefore engenders an odd ombination of pity and hostility. Perhaps this is actually what he seeks. But who knows? Utterly unrelated to no-nothing views like those of Fairweather, is Freeman Dyson, who is regarded as mostly a genius with decades of amazing credentials in science, and also, slightly, a crank in his extreme old age: "In the history of science it has often happened that the majority was wrong and refused to listen to a minority that later turned out to be right. It may—or may not—be that the present is such a time." The essay by Dyson, despite its skepticism of conventional wisdom, actually answers Fairweather's question about data. By definition, however, know-nothings like Fairweather are utterly impervious to knowledge and information. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21494

"How now my sweet creature of bombast? " "Thou art baser than a cutpurse." "[Your] brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage." "[Thine] breath stinks with eating toasted cheese. " Etc.....

Actually, perhaps not. But maybe your information, language skils, etc. is superior. Elaboration on this view could be useful. Also, how do you fuck the cows out there?

Interesting analysis.