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Morons. Spherical is the shape that minimizes surface contact with liquid contents. Duh. I was about to point that out. What a moron.

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They're just trying to make it sound fancy so they can charge you more. Modern coffee is stupid.

But Newtons laws cover everything being discussed here. Just add up all the forces on the climber, and divide by his mass, and you will know his acceleration. No problem applying it here. The real problem is calculating all the forces. Drag from friction, skidding on rock, falling while dynoing, the belayer pulling the rope, etc, etc, etc. In real life, it's impossible. This thread should be taken out and shot.

I think I've added what I thought. If you want your face splattered in blood keep posting. I'm bored and looking for a fight. You're pretty lame, Caveman. It's hard to brawl via a dial-up connection.

Not true, either. Goretex works, but you have to be aware of its limitations.

Excluding Necro, I believe that everyone should wear a helmet. I've had friends avoid serious injury while sport climbing due to their helmets. All it takes is the rope to catch behind your leg, then you flip and smack your head in the wall. Climbing's dangerous enough.

Sorry, matt, I'm too cynical, young, and dumb to know what's going on. I don't watch the news, vote, or care. I am a perfect example of an arrogant, stupid American who doesn't give a fuck. I don't know if there's a liberal slant in the news, all I know is there is so much sensationalism in the news that I don't watch it.

With this quality of teachers in our schools today, no wonder the children don't learn shit. Necro is a teacher? That WOULD explain it.

Forbidden? Of course, you could always siege the tooth.

Do you speak English? "I wear always my helmet." Not gramatically correct. What an idiot.

Blow me, bitch.

Yes, I didn't know where to go, either. We ended up rapping about 75 feet until we were about 50 feet above an icy gully. Then we simulclimbed up and left for a pitch, then I led up a short step of 5.6 or 7, and then we traversed and scrambled forever up to the summit. It was much longer and more technical than I had expected.

Tomcat was so cool, though.

Necro Necro Necro Necro Necro Necro

This is all ancient news. If the B52 is better, why buy a plaquette?

Shut up DFA.

Trask will love you for this!

The difference is that it gives us something to argue about. Duh.

You sound like Heminway or some shit. Still have no clue WTF you're trying to say. mabe you need more booze? hehehehehehehehehehehehe

Yeah, that'll work in a rescue situation but it's a major pain if your second falls and wants to be lowered to that bomber ledge three feet down, but has to wait fifteen minutes until you can rig some stupid shit to get some rope thru the device. Snoboy: with an ATC you can belay a second, a leader, rappel, lower. With a gigi you can't belay a leader, you can't rappel without scavanging biners from your rack, you can't lower (effectively). You can climb with only an ATC, while if you use a gigi you need another device to belay a leader. So my earlier assessment is correct: an ATC is more versatile than a gigi. I'd buy and use one only for alpine routes, esp. with a three person party. I wouldn't consider it as an all-around device, cause it isn't designed for that. As for the price, 10 bucks for the gigi, plus 20 for a device to belay a leader, and you're past the price of a reverso or b52 which does it all.