WG,
my comment on downgrading had nothing to do with trying to bring down peoples achievements or bag on mixed climbing. I was simply trying to say, that with the tactics that people are using, instead of taking things away, just grade stiffer.
If someone is going to onsight M11 by hanging on their spurs every 8ft, then maybe it isn't m11? I think there is a difference between someone climbing a 5.11 and someone climbing a 5.11 hanging on every cam. Hanging on heel spurs I think is comparable to getting a knee bar. Some people do choose to skip knee bars, but the people using them aren't tagged as aid climbers.
Maybe I'll try and make it down to your show, wish I could meet you at the bar.
Luke