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a few years back, my ISO and I get up early to head to tieton. I pack lunch and misc. he's in charge of gear. We stop for gas at which point i realize i haven't grabbed all the money i thought i had. We spend a good 30 min arguing about the fact that were a couple hundred miles from home and we've got $8. (we had lunch and plenty of gas) One of those melodramatic moments when he insists that we should just go home. I convince him otherwise. We hike up to where we had planned on climbing only to find out we had no harnesses. That was the biggest waste of a day!

What bastards! I think we should slam them for not being climbing gods like us! I don't think anybody posting is thinking that. I certainly am not opposed to anybody learning to climb with or with out the help of an organization. Aren't we all still learning something? I think what hacks off most people is the attitude. I doubt many people care what these groups do when the invade a closed ski area. Too often it's not an area like this. Its a crag or a route that is fequented by lots of people. A large group can ruin this for other people. In addition there is an attitude of that seem somewhat prevalent with the mountaineers that many people find irritating. Any way other than theirs is wrong, no one but them is safe enough and everyone should join. Encountering this on a trip just sux. It's the attitude as much as anything some find disturbing.

Or large open areas outside of climbing routes (such as the gulleys near the lower parking lot at timberline.) Can someone please explain to me how this is getting in the way of everyone else climbing, or why learning should be ridiculed? b/c this w/e they will be on the tooth and swarming over commonwealth basin, most likely disturbing plenty of smaller parties.

hey, dryad has posted in the climbing partner forums. I don't think she's only relying on the mounties.

where are these large areas where they don't bother other people? i'm really really curious

yes

something like that. but i don't want my w/e owned by my yard!

mail box trail is good and muddy right now. I was there yesterday. enjoy!

my new place has no yard that involves maintenance! all natural yard

is there any need for non-alcoholic beverages? i could probably bring some soda or the like along w/some beer.

kinda like the way the bush administration has decided to stand on a particular reason we invaded iraq? WMD? Liberate a repressed society? shhh....not oil or economics... Really doesn't matter....whatever the public opinion of the day is If they paraded out WMD from the desert, i'd still question the motives of this war. Hopefully this will turn out to be a good thing for the Iraqi people no matter what ill conceived reason brought this about.

I shouldn't laugh but that was funny! Sorry AG! Congrats on being out of school for the year

#1 thing today listing to the moooooiiiiiiinks on the other side of the cube wall complain about their health/weight and then order a taco sald w/extra dressing, gab on the phone for an hour and complain they don't have time to use the gym.

last time i pissed dog off, he ate my sleeping bag gotta watch out for dog

it's canadian

i was having this discussion w/someone last night. i think that bush et al. are hoping that we'll forget that the stated reason for being there was wmd and just be happy that we liberated the iraqis, false pretenses or not. but then again, i think that's what a lot of people figured was happening all along.

clearly it's one sided

b/c it's in *MY* backyard. and it's awfully isolated

those still aren't that cheap. whatever is on sale at whatever outlet i can find.

hey i already said it's a total NIMBY reaction. I realize that there is an inordinate amount of security around these guys. That most likely nothing will happen. BUT it also means that i wouldn't be able to climb there after work unless i scrounged up some guy to climb with me. I'd just be a little too weirded out. I vote that we pass laws that make a level 3 offense a "1 strike" sorta thing. If you're that pathetic you get to stay in jail permanently. shouldn't this be in spray?

it's exactly what that link says. they want to build a facility to house high risk sexual offenders near the fire training center at exit 38. We don't want them in our neighborhood anymore than anyone else does. The reasons are endless. yeah it's totally NIMBY but since it is my backyard i don't care. I hope they choose a better location. Like someplace on McNeil Is.

and i'm sure you've got his number handy you're still here so Dr. K can't be that good

are you nukin futZ? suk it yes trask i am and i was kidding...sarcasm ya know

i think one of the events at the bbq on weds needs to be a group hug come on kiddies play nice

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Climber%20Amputation Monday, May 5, 2003 · Last updated 6:49 a.m. PT Rangers Find Arm That Climber Amputated THE ASSOCIATED PRESS CANYONLANDS NATIONAL PARK, Utah -- Thirteen park rangers lugged equipment into this southeastern Utah park and lifted an 800-pound boulder that had trapped a mountain climber until he amputated his arm with a pocketknife. After hiking 3 miles to the remote canyon Sunday, the crew was able to lift the egg-shaped boulder and push it into a space where it fit securely. The rangers also recovered the arm of Aron Ralston, who was pinned for five nights before cutting off his arm below the elbow with a pocketknife on Thursday. Ralston, 27, hiked out of the canyon for help and remained hospitalized in fair condition in Grand Junction, Colo. He was to undergo surgery Monday to close the wound in preparation for a prosthetic arm. His parents say his spirits remain high. On Sunday, the rangers slung the chalkstone rock with 2-inch webbing and moved it up about 1 1/2 feet until they found a spot where it could fit, said river ranger Steve Young. A grip hoist, a type of strong winch that uses half-inch steel cable, was used to pull the boulder up. Hydraulic jacks were placed on top of wooden cribbing on the floor of the narrow canyon. The jacks were used to push the boulder up and keep it from getting caught on the craggy canyon wall. The rock apparently had fallen about 2 feet when it trapped Ralston, Young said. The lower portion of Ralston's right arm was recovered Sunday and taken to a mortuary, said Young, who helped move the boulder. It took about two hours to lift the rock and push it into a new spot. It is still possible the boulder will move again, Young said. The narrow canyon is prone to flash flooding whenever it rains, and the water could sweep it away. Sunday was the second time rangers attempted to recover the arm; a previous attempt on Friday was unsuccessful.