minx

hee! you just like it when i get my hackles up b/c CBS is an idiot

Ummm, you did get the memo on filling out the requisite forms in triplicate didn't you? The CLIMBING COMMITTEE is not here to fill out your paperwork for you, Minx. If you don't shape up and fly right from now on, the CLIMBING COMMITTEE will be forced to revoke your license, and there where will you be, MINX. And I haven't seen you at lecture recently. There was an utterly fascinating discussion on the history of the Munter hitch the other day. Your loss. i'm sorry i missed lecture again. i'm sure that your talk on the pros and cons of carrying a 3rd spare belay device was fascinating. i was told that if i filled out the paperwork in quadruple and had it in by 4:48:30pm GMT with 14 signatures my climb would be approved by THE COMMITTEE. i assume i can count you to sign the forms so that THE COMMITTEE will approve my climb? i know that you of all people are looking for a nice moderate outing.

chuck i agree w/you about pointing out when someone is about to kill themselves. i'd like to think that i do it tactful in person. one of the incidents i'm refering to involved me running on a snow covered trail. i was out for a short run. not an overnighter. the woman scolded me for not carrying the proper equipment. apparently i needed extra clothes, my beacon, shovel, probe, a weeks worth of food, a tent, a compass and lord knows what else all to get out for a run. there is telling someone that they're about to rap off the end of the rope and die and then there's a brief classroom review of safety practices.

me

KK- you're right GDIs fuck up all the time. Myself included. The difference is that the GDIs aren't out there trying to be a "climbing organization" and selling their way as the best, safest way.

Gary, you're right...most folks in the mounties are probably perfectly nice and pleasant. They're probably even considerate about letting people pass but sometimes it's hard to pass 8 people. sure it's the climb leaders that are getting hurt. that's the point....who does the club choose as leaders??? i know they post their climbs on-line. the recent example for me is one my DH did recently and they got stuck behind 2 separate groups of mounties. very frustrating sure maybe we should all be climbing harder than the basic class mounties. but hell, i'll admit it... i love moderate alpine climbs. i'm no badass hard chick. i am queen of the moderates so get the fuck out of my way before i get all 5.7 on your ass.

shit harry, you're right! What was I thinking. I'll make sure to stay off of every moderate route in WA until I check with the committee! I'll go jump on something that i'm not physically ready to do since i didn't register my climb with the committee. folks, if the committee approves my weekend plans, i'll need at least 8 more for a full gaggle. Please send me a PM with the date and time you completed the 4th climb of your basic course for consideration.

CBS- don't make me humiliate you in public. 1) my weekend plans are changed b/c a group of 10 mounties has planned to do the hike/climb i had in mind. 2) i personally have witnessed more than one mountie in trouble and helped 3) i've been stuck behind a whole slew of them (8+) on a popular local climb while it took an hour or more for a single pitch to be climbed. Followed by me saying "you know you can't get down from there on a 60 meter rope right?" response being "umm...no" 4) DH recently got stuck behind a whole shmeer of them on another local climb. again, huge unnnecessary delays causing him to be late and me to worry. 5) See #4 for an incident when said mounties left a member of their party w/o a rope to rap down on...duh! 6) witnessed them snow camping in an avvy shute. 7) been chastized on more than one occasion for travelling w/o the enough/appropriate gear. I was out for a trail/snow run...not a major expedition. 8) regularly partnered with one that can't make a decision to save their life....literally. So CBS...STFU. My climbing experience is not limited to nor even much guided by what is said on this board.

Gary, for a lot of us it doesn't matter what's going on inside the organization. It's the end result that counts. They can be bickering, restructuring, striving for improvement, rethinking, reevaluating til the cows come home and it makes not one lick of difference to me. What does make a difference is: 1) not hearing stories about their members getting hurt 2) not having to plan my weekend around where a herd/flock/gaggle/pod of mounties is planning to climb 3) not spending inordinate amounts of time on a route if i happen to get stuck by them 4) not being chastized by them for doing things differently and thus "unsafely" 5) not having to feel awkward b/c someone says "i finished the basic course" and then having to explain that I need to know more b/c that doesn't make me feel confident in you as a partner. 6)turning out competent, knowlegabe, self-reliant climbers. i am not inherently opposed to "club climbing and learning". i'm not even sure that on a per climb ratio or per climber ratio that they have more accidents. what i am sure of is that clussterfucks seem to follow them and that the completion of the basic course gives the participant a false sense of their ability. so many of them learn so little in that course. what they do learn is to be paralyzed by over cautiousness.

The last time I did that climb the most psychologically intimidating part of that pitch for me was the bat nesting under the roof. no kidding!! i couldn't figure out what you were doing up there. i moved pretty damn fast when i got there! thanks for not warning me

dead is dead. don't be a jerk about it.

just enough, but be sure not to bring too many or you'll be wrong

i'm pretty sure that there are lots of people out there leading that are in total violation of korup's guidelines.

damn i'm exhausted from all that BS. 1) octavius, climb the damn climb and evaluate the protection when you get there. 2) to all those whining about this thread being disrespectful to the fallen climber--it's not. no one is critiquing his personal decsions or actions. it was a natural starting point for yet another holyfuckingdogawful thread about the mountaineers. 3) i've seen enough of the mountaineers to be scared. healthy respect for climbing is one thing, quivering intimidation is dangerous. i don't care how much gear you haul up the climb, a lack of ability to think independently and make decisions is dangerous. 3b) just b/c you've got a big group, your gaiters, your seattle sombrero, the latte from the north bend starbucks where you met your group of 30 to carpool to the TH for the tooth doesn't mean you're safe (to paraphrase someone). 4) Mister E--this is the petty squabble forum 5) why is zippering up an easy pitch on ingalls dangerous? it's not. being billed as a mentor and not being confident enough to climb ingalls with a reasonable amount of gear is. a newbie shouldn't be viewing this type of climber as mentor. this climber still needs a mentor and is still in the newbie phase him or herself. that's why it's dangerous. someone is relying too much on a rookie's judgements 6) i will never climb YJT just b/c it will remind me of this thread. continue on-

you're all dead to me

I miss IaXXX

no but we have the right to dress up in bear costumes and sell canadian piss water....er beer....ummm....labatts.

Yeah but then Dru will bust out the twenty-sided dice and think he's super hot shit because he knows what Lando Calrisean's third cousin's name is or the mating habits of wookies or some innane dorky shit like that. who?

hey nothing says "i'm hot" like a good airbrush job

bastard! now i know where they went

i'm just impressed that harry knows how to use thesaurus.com

fucking lame You guys mamed and probably killed a large buck because you urbanite shitheads don't know how to watch where you're driving and now you're crying about your climbing gear? I hope that buck did some serious damage to your friend's gay-ass SUV. Assholes. oh, no maiming involved, we definitely killed him, you know how we urbanite shitheads like to control the minds of wild animals so we can destroy them. and i assure you we were both watching very, very closely as we impacted him. as far as crying about my gear... i was crying about my gear BEFORE we hit him, so hah! you will be happy to know that he did indeed do some serious damage to the "gay ass SUV"(i'm guessing that your politically correct vehicle runs on air). and finally, i have been an asshole for longer than i can remember and am quite comfortable with it. ARE YOU? by the way, do think the SUV was born gay? or do you have a rural, right wing evangelistic cure? oops harry, i think you just got the smackdown. brad might be a little tougher than the image his name conjures up.

that should be "i pwn this forum, BEEYOTCH"

hahaha...dru, you're so pathetic when you're trying to be clever. i hope the bear eats you.

than i am of it. after regaling my poor husband with tales of black bear encounter on Sunday, he reminds me of this backcountry truism "the bear is more scared of you than you are of him". I am unconvinced given the cavalier way the bear strolled past.