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I think the time has come for a sprayers only event debate and slide show topics to be covered: Evolution: there's no way in hell? open forum (please bring scientific references and charts for the slide show) Conservative v. Liberal -- PP will provide a list of articles from the economist to explain how we will fund social security. Family Values and Morality -- Fairweather will debate sex choc on why the children of today will pay for their parents shortcomings by becoming non-contributing members of society and moving to costa rica to become surf bums. Why are men pigs? (except OW and Oly)-- Archie will provide an ass kicking demonstration on Kevbone. She might bring a hockey stick as a prop. Religion: if those terrorist bastards believed in jesus there would be no problems these will be followed by a free-for-all brawl and beer drinking. our closing remarks will be on the topic -- why can't we all just shutup and drink?

maybe, but i'm sucker for good chart and cited reference.

Nice work foraker I'll present some arguments with out specifics like foraker just provided. I challenge you to google Richard Trott. Transitional forms? there are several transitional forms of dinosaurs in the fossil record. ceratopsian ---> triceratops Australopithecus? Neanderthals?

Duane Gish, PhD? Doctor of what? Where was this published? Again, peer reviewed journals would be nice. "probably smarter than you" perhaps smarter than me, perhaps not. A PhD doesn't not really ensure "smart" and certainly not common sense. Seahawks I'd also remind you that there are plenty of smart people who post here including some PhDs and PhD wannabes. Where's gary when we really need him to be smart?

ahh then, mr. creationist, who/what created the creator? if there is a creator, who has become so disgusted with us that it doesn't spend much time 'round these parts anymore, then we are in fact nothing more than abandoned action figures in a child's backyard game. much like the little army figures that my son and his friends play with, get bored with, and leave for another day. do you really believe that we are the toys in something's game?

oh good, quoting articles from 1960 as though science has not moved on. lets try something more recent. and perhaps, lets delve into the realm of macrobiology rather quantum physics and physical chemistry. Not that they aren't relevant, just going for some diversity.

Which holes would those be? Please specify and show actual data supporting your arguments. Please show how this data contradicts all other data supporting evolution. This could go on forever. There are a million thing. How far is the moon moving away from the earth each year?? How far back do you have to go before nothing works?? No fossil records to support evolution. On and on the list goes. Shall I grab all the articles?? It takes just as much faith to beleive evolution. And point is neither side can be proved. In debates by both sides neither side wins becuase neither side can be proved. So you have chosen your faith, Go ahead and beleive in it. But it is based on theory not fact. yes, please grab the articles. from peer reviewed scientific journals if you don't mind.

Like to see you prove he doesn't. can't prove a negative.

what do my sheets have to do with any of this? :fahq: :fahq:

eric b-- our society is far more skewed towards religion than it is for the athiests. evolutions is not a theory, it belongs in a science class, creationism belongs in a social studies class. teach it there, i don't care but don't teach my child religion in science class. please. in my son's grade school, there was once a reading of the story of jesus's birth and another christmas related story the next year. gee--way to keep that religion out of the classroom. there wasn't a story about hannukah or ramadan or shiva. just jesus. my son has been told on several occasions that his mom is going to hel b/c we don't go to church. gee thanks. 'preciate that nice warm fuzzy bit of christianity.

yeah and btw--your religion means my child is brought up in a world where people believe that a dead guy came back to life after 3days. freaks him out. i don't like you forcing your beliefs on me.

Atheists are trying to create a society where my child will grow up being told that children are an unfortunate consequence of sex. I don't like you forcing your beliefs on me. what????? when has that become associated with athiests? that's ridiculous. i think my son is the best thing that ever happened. i don't think he's a gift from god but i do think he's the most amazing thing ever. the implication of that comment is that your children are more special(unique) in their creation (a gift from god) than a puppy. newsflash--it's all the same--sperm+egg=offspring. i don't think children should be deluded about their relationship to the rest of ecosystem. the biology is pretty similar regardless of species. except that komodo dragon...

yes seahawks, it is my green pill. i think you'll find that its not the atheists shoving their vision of anything down anybody's throats. we have nothing to lobby for and "god" isn't going to punish us for not doing our best to spread "the word". those with religious ideals feel mandated to spread their version and are not content to let everyone coexist with their belief system. my comment wasn't meant in anyway to prostelytize. in fact it was a reflection of me bristling at KK's obvious dismissal and insulting of atheists. he is obviously religious and unwilling to accept that other's viewpoints and happiness don't depend on "god".

yeah, that's a great fucking vision of life. no wonder atheists are so hateful, pathetic, and unhappy. so what you're saying is that for you religion is the "green pill" and the reason you're happy? i know many happy atheists who go on about life in a very positive way. when you know that your life is finite, you tend to live it fully.

She is. i went to the dealership to look at a suby outback. the dealer proceeded to show me the cargo netting in the back for holding my groceries and the dual vanity mirrors. oh goodee! after ignoring my questions about the engine, he proceeding to share with my husband, the ground clearance, hp, and torque. my husband looked at him and said "it's her car, talk to her about it." we left.

oly--isn't that what they do every off season?

my original thought on this thread was for those who are negotiating "X" number of days w/their spouses. if you avoid putting a concrete number on it, then it's easier to avoid the "you've already been out 6 days this year, no more!" conversation.

...dude, welcome to the adult world... yup--gave up a lot of activities when the little guy was even littler. no one forced me. it just felt right at the time.

we've tried "peer pressure" fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) he doesn't cave in much to it. he's getting a little more adventurous these days but he's not a risk taker by nature. i'm hoping when his friends are older and want to climb, he'll see the advantages.

hey rumr--thanks for the info. some good ideas there. we tried rock camp one summer. he loved tying knots, belaying and bouldering but i think the whole week, he only tied in twice. *sigh* might have to take a try at again soon. hope he's not too old to change his ways!

hey, the FCC has already weighed in on this matter during nipplegate 2003, breasts, and in particular nipples, are offensive, damaging to young children, and should be kept out of sit even for 0.8 seconds! don't you people already know this??? what's wrong with you? when will you learn??? think of the children for god's sake!

i don't have a quota either. i'll be a belay buddy when you can climb again. i think the line is pretty long though. hey...how long until you can belay?

why do you have to set the number of days you get to go out and climb "alone"? what's wrong with just seeing how things fit into your lives?

my son will boulder all the time. soon as the rope gets involved its all over. the rest of it he's a great buddy. i should probably take up soccer but i'm pretty sure skate boarding again is a bad idea.

i also think some of this comes down to how many days v. weekends you're trying to get completely free and clear.