JGowans

Jeez man. Can it possibly get any worse?? This is total insanity. Why is everyone so damn passive about this ridiculous charade taking place?

So, if numbers (ie. voters) are not an accurate or relevant enough measure of determining a course of action, and it boils down to one man, isn't that kind of like a dictatorship? Oops. I said it didn't I?

Well said Off-White. Methinks MtnGoatCheese makes no sense and keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

No matter how many people oppose the war, it's still wrong (to oppose)? Indeed the RIGHT (wing) thing was done.

Post Deleted. I'm really going to try and stop complaining. Instead, I'll offer you this... Scotsman, Englishman and Irishman are sitting around the table one night talking about how stupid their wives are. The Englishman pipes up and says, “Lads, my wife is so stupid, she bought a new stove the other day, and the gal can’t even cook!” The Scotsman nods his head and says, “Lads, let me tell you. My wife bought a brand new car and can’t even drive!” The Irishman is just sitting there giggling and says, “Fellas, I got you all beat. Last week, my wife went on holiday with two of her friends to Spain. She took a hundred condoms and she doesn’t even have a penis!”

Big groups do suck. Having said that though, I'm in the Mounties and invariably part of a big group. Even though it sucks to 1.) be part of that big group, or 2.) Encounter that Big Group, I have learned quite a bit already just being in their classes.

It's time those oil wells were liberated and free to live in peace... http://www.theonion.com/onion3913/oil_wells_liberated.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3913/bush_sizes_up_spain.html

Exactly. Thank you for clarifying Specialed

MtnGoat, I just find it somewhat baffling that now the U.S. has taken Bagdhad, I am somehow expected to drop my belief that the war was wrong all along. You and others now think that your views have been vindicated because we dropped thousands of bombs and pummeled the Iraqi forces into submission like everyone knew we would right from day one. I'm not certain that I follow your train of reasoning.

Dude, I certainly hope that it was construed as a joke. No way do I want to be in a torture chamber under Seattle municipal court.

That particular post was a hyperbole not to be really taken seriously EternalX. I am quickly realizing that my humor is only funny to me and lost on everyone else. How sad is that.

Undoubtedly so Erik. However, now that the "war" has reached a favorable outcome for the allied forces, does that really indicate that those opposed to the war were wrong all along? Does that make my "whining" any less legitimate?

You're really not the sharpest tool in the shed but here goes...is it not better to protest a cause through peaceful means than to simply take up arms when the conversation gets to be a little too tough, and a little too difficult to convince others that you're right and they are wrong? If the U.S. and Britain were truly right, then why did 80% of the world disapprove of the war in the first place?

Sorry MtnGoat, but what are you trying to say?

I think this might be my next party bus / trail breaking juggernaut. Do you think the cops will mind if not all my passengers have a seat belt on?

So, do you think that the thirst for blood has been quenched now? Now that we've taken down Afghanistan and Iraq, do you think the U.S. will go to war with another country in, let's say, the next 18 months? This isn't a loaded question. I'm curious to hear what most folks think. I haven't really considered it, but there's probably decent odds of another war wouldn't you think?

Fear not my Traskian friend for Mr. Bush and his cadre of elite war hungry politicos will quickly realize that the economy is still fucked and will therefore try to further avert our attention from it by invading, umm liberating, another hapless nation. Do you hear me Syria, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, China, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Canada, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway, etc., etc.?

I'm done complaining. It's a losing battle. When your phones are tapped, your email is checked, you have to pledge allegiance every day at work, there's statues of Bush in every town center, you're beat up by the police for the slightest infraction, half the world is sending suicide bombers over here, the U.S. is involved in numerous wars on numerous continents with the military fully deployed and a national draft underway for all men under 65, and you are not allowed to complain about shit...I'll be the first to laugh and say I told you so from my solitary confinement torture chamber deep below the municipal courthouse in downtown Seattle.

I saw U2 during their Achtung Baby tour in '94 in Glasgow, Scotland. 60,000 fans inside a soccer stadium. Bono called the British Prime Minister (John Major) at the time. Pretty funny.

I was thinking about this...Iraqis kissing Bush portraits. They've been repressed and manipulated for the last 30 years. Do you think now they feel free? Rather they probably fear Bush as much as they did Saddam. They probably think it's nothing more than a coup d'etat where they change allegiance fro one dictator to another. Three cheers for liberation!

I understand where you war supporters are coming from. I don't think anyone would ever argue that the average Iraqi was a repressed individual living under the threat of violence from a violent dictator. Under those circumstances, I think most folks would be inclined to celebrate now that the wicked bastard is apparently gone. My point of contention though as it has always been, is that I really don't believe the U.S. & Britain had a right to break numerous international laws under the pretense of wiping out WMD (which have yet to be discovered) and declaring a link between Saddam and Al Queda (which has yet to be proven). Now we're talking about liberation but that was never the initial context of justification for the war. We've been totally conned into believing that we're part of some noble cause celebre but the path to how we got there was anything but noble. Rather, in my mind at least, it was illegal and illegitimate. Sometimes I feel that it's just not worth arguing about anymore because it would appear that almost everyone believes the popular media without question and to be a dissenting voice is an act of futility.

Why? How would you propose throwing something at someone if you had your back to them and couldn't see them?

I hope so too dude.