JoshK

Gotcha...makes sense now. Sounds like I'll be leaving the pedal powered device at home.

Thanks Paul. How could you save 1 hour in only 2 miles? 2 miles only takes 40 minutes to walk.

So this thing is coming out pretty soon. First off, I say two thumbs up to Ford. It hardly makes up for the Turdcursion and Suxpedition, but it's a good start. Does anybody else find this vehicle compelling? Granted, I'm not a SUV fan. More than the waste of everything they are, I just dont really like the styling. But, here you can get a vehicle with 4WD, a reasonable amount of gear hauling ability and very good gas milage. It's an interesting vehicle...

Haven't see Fat_Woody around here spewing verbal diareha lately.

I can't remember, but are bikes useful for the road section of the thornton lakes approach? I remember somebody talking about them, but maybe it was to say it is too overgrown for it to be useful

Right Scott, and BushCo doesn't have an agenda!!! I've still got that oceanfront in arizona for sale, you interested?

haha! awesome. I've heard the enchanted valley is gorgeous and extremely populated with bears. Does it open up to meadows higher up? Any pictures? thanks! -josh

But Josh, logging is going to happen anyways somewhere. Why not salvage trees which have already been killed rather than ones which are completely healthy? Cause the timber companies already have enough land. That is what renewable forests or whatever they call them are for. rip down the trees then replant. The last thing we need is timber companies encroaching on land they aren't already on. I would think you would give in for the simple fact that two educated people, working on this issue, have told you that you are wrong would be enough to conceed and move on.

Pulp paper, as I understand it, is now almost exclusively farmed in the southeast from whatever trees grow well there. The northwest forests are too valuable for to use for anything but timber I guess.

C'mon scott, resorting to the below the belt shots is stupid. Calling somebody ugly is totally out of line.

I chatted with Colin once about this. He did it late in the year (sept maybe?) in that year when we had a very late winter, two years ago I think. He encountered very hard ice, which he commented the second tool would have been helpful. You'll almost certainly be encountering snow (and soft at that if the forecast holds) so you maybe be able to get away with less/different gear. My 2 cents.

Scott, as Winter said above, you just continue to disprove your own arguments. It seems most people are arguing that removing the dead trees not only does not benifit the environment but it leaves the land ugly. There is something to say of a scroched piece of forest. It has an interesting look, and it's way nicer than a bunch of toothpicks and large stumps. Who cares if it's financially viable, so are the giant old growth trees in the grove of the patriarchs, but I think you'd agree it wouldn't be a good idea to cut those down.

Yeah, looks gorgeous, doesn't it? Explain to me how that forest, almost entirely devoid of underbrush is going to catch fire now? Also note that it's going to be a hellavu lot harder for that tree to catch on fire when it's outer layer is all burnt to a crisp. Those small trees will burn before those big ones will, that's how it works, and they haven't done a damn thing to them.

For those of you who think it's much ado about nothing to want "god" removed from the pledge, let me ask you why it was such a good idea to introduce it in the first place? It wasn't in the original pledge...

He listed like 5 or 6 things to do above. You missed that? This conversation is obviously a waste of time. I think even you know that it's a timber-friendly policy but for some reason you seem to have the need to defend a bush policy for whatever reason.

Anybody interested? It's not super high so I was hoping it would be melted enough. If not, we can always scramble up trappers and gawk at the pickets

Scott, I think this is enough right here to demonstration that you are in over your head with Jim. Nobody (myself included) has argued that the past policy worked well and that it doesn't need to be changed going forward. All I said was that cutting out already burnt (and mostly fuelless) tress from an ALREADY burnt landscape is a smokescreen to drop a favor to timber companies. I didn't say a damn thing about healthy forests. This is where the discussion on prescribed burns, thinning, etc. comes in. This is just about the already burnt forests, and it's a stupid policy.

Yup, sorry, thinking about epic...too many damn fabrics...

JDJ, it's because both of those trails start from the same road, one goes west, and one goes north, and you can loop from one to the other like they did.

Anybody approached anderson from the enchanted valley side instead of the dose side? With the washout the distance difference is more like 4 or 5 miles each way instead of 9 or 10. I've heard the enchanted valley is amazing, so I thought it might be a neat way to go. Is this one of those trails that you can eat up the miles in trail hikers? thanks, -josh

It seems like a bivy made out of a not fully waterproof material would be pretty bad if you actually started getting rained or wet snowed on, tho?

Is there anybody else that would be interested to see how phil jackson would do as a coach without jordan and co or shaq/kobe and co? My guess is he'd be an average coach. I really wouldn't doubt I could have won the NBA championship with the Jordan teams of the 90s. The Lakers have got a superstar at every position. When they lose, it will be a demonstration of Jackson's lack of ability to cultivate cohesion among a powerhouse of professionals. The bulls work due to Jordan's immense presence and the respect he demanded. You could have removed Jackson and I'm willing to bet they would win just as many games. I've got to imagine Jordan can call the "just pass it to Jordan" play 100 times a game as well as Jackson can.

OK, I'm not sure where the communication breakdown is here...but, they do these to forests that have ALREADY burnt. Yes, they may have tried to supress it, but the end result is that part of the forest burnt. You are now left with an empty forest, largely devoid of fuel. You have two options: 1.)rip down a bunch of trees and leave stumps 2.)leave the stumps and largely fueless forest to regrow naturally In the future you can worry about no longer supressing fires like that, but nature just took care of that section for you, there is no reason to go build a road and rip trees out of it.

There are plenty of fires that burn the underbrush and leave the trees. You'll notice practically any really old tree outside of the lower-wet west slope areas will have burn marks up it's bark. It's cause a fire went through and burned the brush but didn't destroy that tree. If a fire is enough to KILL trees then it took the brush out too. Going in there to further remove the trees seems really pointless. Like I said, a carbonized tree isn't much for fuel.

Oh, and BTW...back to the topic. 3-1 pistons. hells yeah!