JoshK

Let's say for a minute that the republican party maintains control of both houses of congress this November. I think it will happen, personally. If Bush loses the election that leaves a democratic president and a republican congress, which, as we all know, leads to fairly little in the ways of significant contrevertial bills being passed. It wont lead to stricter gun control, or major tax hikes, or any of that. Given this, is it possible that any of you who are desperate enough to vote for Bush could simply say that you are willing to do what is best for the world and remove Bush from office? If I was given the choice been sacrificing a few of my beliefs and getting McCain in office or leaving the elction of to chance, I would select the McCain (or another moderate, intelligence republican not intent on ruining our standing in the world) in a heartbeat. Honestly, think about it. Most of my issues with domestic policy seem to pale in comparison to the harm another bush term could do to the planet and this country.

Ryland, didn't you see this link that was posted? http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

what?

It is good to see that hiker1 is responsible, but I think there is a large % of his fellow snowmobilers that are not. You drive vehicles and you need to be restricted to the snowed over forest roads. Snowmobiles have no more place in the alpine than a toyota truck does in a mt bachelor snowboard pipe.

Ummm...Josh...he's been president of the United States for almost 4 years now. I think he's established a record we can use to evaluate him. LOL. Yes, of course, that was dumb. I was thinking of a pre-presedency senate or house voting record since obviously congress is the one that votes on all of the bills.

Oh, I completely agree that the fact that he is Jewish didn't have anything to do with him being the one who got murdered, but it still would have been worth point out, I believe.

Opinions change, situations change, and votes change. Expecting somebody to maintain a completely consistent voting record is idiotic. And as somebody else pointed out the major reason for voting against bills is often to vote against riders and other stupid crap the opposing party slaps on to dillute or make the bill unpalatable. I suppose we can't compare his record to GWB since GWB esentially came into the presidency with no acutal experience aside from having the govenorship of texas handed to him thanks to connections, political ties and family name.

Wow, I certainly wasn't aware he was Jewish. I agree it's either bad or biased reporting. But way, I thought only good christians went and helped people in need?

I just got through a unit in my geo class about the heat blanace on earth. It's amazing how much heating re-radiation (from cloud cover) provides. Of course cloud reflection increases albdeo (the % of radiant enregy reflected back by a surface) so I am not sure which one outweighs the other one??? My guess is shortwave radiation (like UV) passes through the clouds much more readily than re-radiated longwave radiation (like infared) can pass back out.

Has anybody added a hydration sleave to a pack? Yes, I realize one is not nescessary, but it makes it nice to keep a bladder upright and stationary while loading and unloading other stuff. If you have, where can you get the nylon, etc to make it?

Again, please give an example where he doesn't illustrate the truth. Yes, he is about the put-down, just like every other special interest group running negative ads.

Josh, reasonable people in the center dislike the guy, because he is a cynical misfit who is not in search of the truth, but instead out to put people down. Funny thing about people who deep-down distrust other people's motives all the time. I've hired a lot of people over the years, and given a lot of personality profile tests to people for management, sales, and admin jobs. I have made several hires when people scored low on "trust" and damn if they haven't been the very ones who turned out to be untrustworthy themselves. I guess it's a "I know you're going to fuck me, so I'll make sure I fuck you first" mentality. I believe that Michael Moore has this personality trait. How does he not represent the truth? Read his page, he has the documentation (and the video clips ) to back up everything he has said. He presents his movie in a comedic tone so people actually go to it or rent it. Give me a break, the NRA and it's chronies are all about spreading fear and loathing and ruthlessly bringing down anybody they see as an enemy.

Damn, I need to find the article I was talking about, but it addresses this very point. The common strategy, esp. when teh incumbent is strugling is apparently not to nail yourself down to anything particular until nearing the end of the elction when you can capitolize on his failures. Yes, typical politics, but the article was explaining that this has been the strategy for a long long time; it isn't new to this election.

I asked the same thing, but never really got much of a reply. I know the one big thing is that apparently serving your country with great decoration then returning home and standing up for what is right is "turning your back on your fellow soldiers" or some other sort of crap. The new campaign ads with his shipmates praising him are pretty good. Funny, but I haven't seen anybody from the texas air national guard step up and defend dubya's heroic service in defending the skys of texas from the mighty mexican air force or his piles of concain from law inforcement.

Yes, i can certainly believe that you concluded this. There is a reason the right wing hates him and is afraid of him...lots of people listen to him.

Outright laws, eh? Actually, I don't like the animosity that politics stirs up between people. I think it's time for a group hug. lies, not laws.

I would argue he has provided ample opportunies to display his stupidity. My favorite quite from his supporters early on was "he doesn't have to know everything, he surrounds himself with very smart people" Granted, stupid is probably a huge overstatement but I would be willing to bet he is the least intelligent president in history both in terms of reasoning skills and world knowledge in general.

That's the Al Franken Book. But I'm sure you knew that already. Oops, my bad. Misremembered. But Moore's on the same level with "Dude, where's my country?" and the like. Have you actually read an Al Franken book? Like more than 5 or 10 pages? I have, I read "Lies..." and not only is it extremely informative but it reads well and is entertaining. Unlike Bill O'Nazi and the like, he does an excellent job of providing footnote after footnote backing up every single one of his claims. He gives you the information you need to go and check every one of the assertions if you please. He also methodically disproves outright laws spread by Bill O'Nazi and friends.

Brilliant. Thanks for finding what I was too lazy to look up. His detractors fear him, and, frankly, I'm glad to have him on the good guys team.

More than anything, I enjoyed an intelligent, well-spoken commander in chief, instead of the mumbling moron we have now.

If I could have voted for Bill Clinton, I gladly would have. I actually liked him, I didn't just hate the other guys. Give me lies about banging ugly chicks anyday over lies about real issues!

That is the point. I haven't seen the movie but my guess somebody on the other side of the fence could provide an argument against all that crap. More importantly, the NRA isn't exactly a fair and biased organization interested in only presenting the facts, good or bad.

I need to find this article I read the other day, it was quite interesting. In essence the argument (or noted trend, rather) is that even in elections where the incumbent loses badly, the challengers numbers never rate much higher than a tie until the last few weeks or months of the election. The trend was displayed for both D and R incumbents.

Ugh, well, here goes... "The Denver event was the annual NRA meeting, whose place and date had been fixed years in advance." If they cared one bit they could have moved the meeting. "The meeting was a “get out the vote” rally, which took place eight months later, during the election season." an NRA get out the vote rally is a pro-gun rally. Claiming otherwise would be like claiming a get out the vote rally held by the sierra club was not pro-environment. "South Africa has the highest murder rate in the world (twelve times greater than America’s)." C'mon, let's not compare ourselves to a country in Africa which not long ago fought a virtual civil war between races. I'd like to think we could hold ourselves to a higher standard, such as other wester countries, where, coincidentally we have a higher gun death count than western europe and australia combined. "The U.S. murder rate is lower than the world average (5.5 versus 8.5 per 100,000 population)." This one is just plain dumb...yeah, let's compare our murder rate to the world average, which includes such fine contries like Somalia, the Congo, East Timor, Haiti and Afghanistan! "The NRA was founded by former Union Army officers who fought a war to end slavery. Civil War veteran Maj. Gen. Ambrose Burnside was the NRA’s first president." The Civil war did not end slavery nor did fighting for the union mean you had any desire to end slavery. Yes, slavery was abolished closely following the civil war, but in way did the union army fight simply to free the slaves "The U.S. President who signed the act making the Klan an illegal organization was later elected the NRA's eighth president—Ulysses S. Grant." The KKK was not only anti-black but also highly anti-republican. Note that the parties platforms were esentially switched from today's dems and repubs. Party leaders recognized that not dealing with the KKK could jepordize the very existance of the republican party in the south as voters had become threatened and wary. After quite a bit of debate the KKK Act of 1871 was passed. It also did not make the clan an illegal organization, it simply made it "illegal for any organization to deprive voters of their civil rights and banned efforts to bar any citizen from holding public office". "Three times as many people die from being struck by lightning" than school shootings, thus school shootings aren't a problem" Please explain this one to the parents of all the kids who have been killed at school. Yeah, getting struck by lightning would suck...shit happens, but can we honestly say that asking for kids to be safe at school is too much?

How is it possibly that Kerry is any worse than GWB? I admit, I haven't looked into all of the supposed character issues people bring up, but even assuming he is a total schmuck, that leaves me comparing the platforms of two complete schmucks with poor characters. Georgie's character is a complete joke as well. I guess that leaves us to simply choose which scumbag represents our beliefs better. Note: I dont actually think Kerry is a schmuck, I am simply point out that arguing that Bush represents a higher moral standard is pretty unfair.