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Which is over-regulated, I might add. No joke. The spin has been that congress was wrong to ban organ sales.

KKK is my bitch. He follows me around trying desperately to poke holes in what I say.

I don't see why my knowing someone would change the reality of the large organ trade market. According to reports many people every year sell organs because they need the money.

what to say about those who think this is important (or humorous) because he bought an ipad with the money? Would it have made the headline of the trash media if he had sold a kidney to feed himself.

we already know that current Somalia is your golden age society. Yes. Raw milk, with labels => Somalia. claiming that labeling of foods or all other consumer products is unnecessary is indeed akin to proposing the Somalian model of governance I clearly misread what you meant but it doesn't change my point that claiming industries will self-regulate is nonsense as we can see everyday around us or in the news. "Fornicating with a light socket" has nothing to do with buying raw milk knowing that it has been handled properly.

Euro' s in the tank these days what with Greece, Ireland, Portugal, etc The Euro is still at $1.4

we already know that current Somalia is your golden age society. Yes. Raw milk, with labels => Somalia. claiming that labeling of foods or all other consumer products is unnecessary is indeed akin to proposing the Somalian model of governance your asking the question is revealing of your undemocratic ideology.

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year." Undoubtedly you just edited that and unclicked the "edit" button to hide it. Kind of your style, j_bot. That must be why Jordan Sahl (sp?) quoted me writing "per year" at 11:46 last night. Idiot.

What shitty logic. The high price of imported cheeses is due to tariffs, the strength of the Euro, and artisanal methods.

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year."

I never said raw milk tasted better since I have not drunk raw milk in 40+ years but I have eaten plenty of raw milk cheeses over that period and I can tell the difference (and I am far from being the only person who can tell as most food expert would confirm). Pasteurization kills all bacteria, good and bad, that are necessary for a cheese to age properly. Bacteria are added after pasteurization to allow aging to occur but nowhere with the variety and quantity needed to form the perfect cheese. Lesson over. Now I have work to do.

And 300 million Americans eat multiple servings of food a day, so 76 million cases of food-born illness for such a large population over years would be reasonable too - you half-witted fucktard. First, you can't fucking read as the 76 million foodborne illnesses is per year. Second, there is a ~6 orders of magnitude difference between 76 millions/yr and ~80/yr, so even if you assume 100,000 servings of all foods versus 1 of raw milk, you get 10 times more contamination with other foods. Finally, nobody claimed it was a perfect comparison but it is instructive nonetheless. Now fuck off, troll.

It's not a minor detail but since raw milk sales are legal in ~half the states, it's not unreasonable to assume the number of servings of raw milk per year is a large number. Your inability to handle the simplest thought processes isn't my responsibility.

we already know that current Somalia is your golden age society.

800 cases out of 80000 servings as opposed to 76 million cases out of 76 billion servings of food? Just throw stats around j_bot... w/o the requisite details to provide appropriate meaning/context. it doesn't take a clairvoyant to understand nobody knows the number of servings, retard.

? why would you assume that these numbers aren't for the USA?

Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year. Do you have a source for that? I'm not second guessing the source I just have been trying to find CDC information pertaining to raw milk directly, with limited success. from CDC via fda: http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm079516.htm

Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year.

actually, you sound more like a know nothing blowhard today.

The dung+hoof/fur adds just a little extra flavor... if you had visited a farm with more than a couple of cows in the last 1/2 century, you'd know milking machines are closed recipients.

I don't see anything particularly insane about protecting consumers AND giving them choices. Have you tasted the difference between raw milk cheeses and pasteurized ones? because if you did, you'd know that raw milk ones are way more tasty.

really? next year the new comes up or what? It depends on which kale you have. Many varieties are biennial in which case you can let them flower and go to seed the 2nd year.

I was wondering about the "across state lines" dimension, and couldn't decide whether the underlying dilemma is the probable disparity in enforcement at state level since only ~1/2 the states allow sales of raw milk, or adequate refrigeration during transport/storage since it was the key factor in decreasing incidences of raw milk contamination during the 20th century, and/or strict application of the law supplemented by possible anti-raw milk sentiment in federal agencies. Most foods with pathogens are expected to be cooked but the decision is left to the individual and many people choose to eat raw product when they know the risks are minimized. For example, I occasionally eat raw egg (like in Cesar salad) if I know the provenance.

There would probably be fewer regulations if sales of raw milk were banned outright, but the commercial production and sale of raw milk should be regulated.

I can see how health inspections should be necessary because the safety of raw milk is very much dependent on the cleanliness of the operation but I don't think there is any real basis to ban sales of raw milk as long as it is clearly labeled.