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it has been shown ever and over that the best to protect yourself and your family is to not have a gun in your home. the same way that wearing a seat belt while driving is shown to be necessary, or wearing a helmet while biking and climbing, etc ... the only difference whith these other examples is that your insistence to have the proliferation of guns go unchecked actually endangers my life and that of my family THis isn't true, j_b. Just because you can draw a correlation statistically doesn't mean it has meaning of causality. I can show you numbers that prove the fact that because I walk the streets of Seattle wearing a gun, you and your family are safer walking the streets of Seattle. do statistics show that gun owners and their families have a greater chance of getting shot? yes. case closed. does unchecked gun proliferation lead to more bad guys having guns and greater murder rate? yes. case closed. now you can spin all you want, quote the bill of rights, etc .. it won't change the statistics.

Greg you got your threads mixed up. This one goes in the FEAR thread. good point dru. from the fear troll: "These people seem terribly afraid that somebody might get hurt. Well, somebody might, but that is true totally apart from political considerations and need not be given prominence in our discussions. Fear is not a dignified emotion" too funny.

it has been shown ever and over that the best to protect yourself and your family is to not have a gun in your home. the same way that wearing a seat belt while driving is shown to be necessary, or wearing a helmet while biking and climbing, etc ... the only difference whith these other examples is that your insistence to have the proliferation of guns go unchecked actually endangers my life and that of my family

it is often said that people view the world and others according to the image they have of themselves.

and a liar too (no real surprise). perhaps, we could ask an admin to check whether i sent you a message if you insist with your antagonistic bullshit. i don't need pm's to tell you what i think. as i said before, you are a cancer to this board. your participation here prevents reasonable folks from participating.

because i see the subject line and it is insulting

it is trask. no doubt about it. the signature insulting pm's (which i told you i would not read btw), worthless trolls that are not even his own. in summary, truly pathetic.

thanks guys. villard glacier looks great and kinda reasonably steep from the topo. anyone ever skied the lynn?

lacking imagination today?.

that's rich. at least come up with your own trolls it's not even worthy of an answer when coming from fear mongers. michael moore is great. odd how all those complaining about some of his overstatements in turn love to hear from the conservative talk shows dittoheads. what a bunch of hypocrites.

gee, what a surprise, fairweather had to take a potshot or two. don't you get it people? i am a rigid, unfunny person that you should not shake hand with (presumably because i am morally dirty or something of the sort). presumably i'll end up behind barbwire. the nature of the low blows indeed reminds me that i usually don't cater to the lowest common denominator. no, draging people through the mud and/or advocating their murder or rape is not funny by any stretch of the imagination. hey this was a joke! don't you get it

i assume the old bypass highway is closed in winter but anyone ever skis the peak from the north side in the spring may be? looks like there are some nice lines. anyone?

http://www.anc.org/farm/farm_article.cfm?identifier=2003_0919_sheep 50,000 Sheep Trapped On 'Death Ship' by Sherry Morse Posted on September 19, 2003 The fate of over 50,000 Australian sheep stuck on a ship in the Middle East is being fiercely debated in Australia while the owner of the sheep has offered them for free to anyone who will take them. The sheep have been stuck on board ship for almost six weeks after the Saudi Arabian government rejected them for import, declaring that six percent of them — one percent more than the government allows — were suffering from scabby mouth disease. [...]

unfortuntely, i tend to be the one who more often than not gets 'roadragey', i.e. i get pissed at folks and they don't nearly get pissed at me as often then, i do believe that whoever perpetrates such violence on these guys is no better than they are. i don't know. i don't know you (although you do seem to be a good guy when you don't talk politics). and there is the intent of those who posted in this thread rejoicing at the 'humor' (you know, mob phenomenon), and that of whoever made those animations. however, i have work to get to ...

That has nothing to do with what was presented. true enough caveman. i guess it's difficult to get any work done around here. my last point about true intent still holds though. a specific example of something that happened a while back on this board. someone posted stick figure animations of us soldiers butchering prisoners at guantanamo bay, and i believe it was presented as some kind of joke (although i don't clearly remember). personally it made me sick to my stomach. lo and behold, a few month later rumors of prisoners dying of unexplained trauma came out in the press (not widely publicized of course). i am sure some of you would argue about the cause of death or even that it's ok to kill them off, but i think most rational people would draw the right conclusions (what is it doing to us?). i won't discuss the 'unexplained' death of 1000's of taliban prisoners in afghanistan, etc ... in retrospect, it made me even more sick to stomach and i think every one should ponder whether anyone should be 'joking' about violence in such context.

you make a number of good points necro but let's not forget that the dead boar is already dead and cannot internalize the insult to the point where it inflicts damage. also, calling to 'kill the palestinians' certainly would have the effect of keeping a number of them in their place but i don't think it is the way to go about it (as a matter of fact i think palestinians have a number of legitimate claims). in other words, trading insults 'to take the piss out of someone' may be fine for some (and it is for me, although i don't join in) but it is also often used to convey a serious message under the cover of supposed 'humor' and that is not right with me.

Pussy. If you're deeply offended by the word pussy, which is simply an arrangement of symbols placed on your screen thanks to an unknown stranger, you've got some serious problems. You're probably the kid in middle school that got so mad he started crying and punched the wall next tot he urinal, breaking his hand. Whatever... no, i find using the term 'pussy' to indicate lack of manliness, and assert one's feeling of manhood too stupid to be offended. i dealt with that macho stuff a long time ago. if you were to use it against someone who may be vulnerable in this respect, let's say a homo, then it might bother me. i think the intent behind the insult is what really matters. i am probably of a different generation than most who post here, and using insults randomly is not part of my culture, but i do realize that it may not be the case for many younger than me. i respect that, but i draw the line at hateful intent. using insults to gloss over the meaning of the discussion or rally the mob for the assault is a problem as well because it is demagoguery.

stay on topic. personal attacks on what you perceive me to be do not add anything to this discussion. why don't you complain to jon about the use of the term "bitch", derogatory to women, in this thread's title that is because despite what people think i am not pc. although there is certainly some instances in which i'd find the term offensive. and rob, saying that i feel superior is a personal attack.

stay on topic. personal attacks on what you perceive me to be do not add anything to this discussion.

the fact that you find abusive banter humorous speaks volume about you, more than it does about my perceived sense of humor.

A very clever troll. absolutely not caveman. call to murder or disrespect of other races, religious groups, sex, etc ... is senseless, abusive garbage. some posters used to that all day long in one form or another. i am grateful you don't dabble in it anymore, thank you. i just wish you started posting more pics again.

you could always lead by example by posting some new threads about actual climbing or something, instead of global warming or the mideast i do post about climbing, certainly not as often as about other issues. however, if the right wingers stop spewing thier senseless, abusive garbage, i'll stop posting my sensical, witty political rejoiners. it is odd how some posters can post anything they want and it somehow escapes notice .... no doubt because we are immersed in it to the gills. and i don't see what my posting about global warming (however, you are mistaken i don't say much about the mideast except for one thread way back when mtngoat wanted to kill arabs or something to that effect), has anything to do with offensive spew. so i don't see how it relates to leading by example in this respect. trask, cavey, gregw, adams, sissu, vegetablebelay, robbob, figgure8 (sp) and their other avatars (shit, i did not know there were this many right wing nuts who climbed, or is it that this site has attracted the weirdest personalities in the nw) started posting offensive stuff about murdering 'ragheads' with their favorite weapons long before i reacted to it. so view it as a case of i did not start, they did. and it can only be assumed that some of us should at least be able to present an alternative perspective to very unreasonable discourse. and i certainly keep spray in spray. you, in turn, do not. i try to lead by example in terms of writing meaningful posts and being respectful of others when they are respectful of me. i certainly appreciate a fraction of your posts but the senseless-would-be-witty one liners are just too much (or at least too much of it) and even though i know we are pretty close in sensibilities i feel that your attitude condones disrespect and antagonism on the part of the worst abusers on this board. perhaps you should think about that?

keeping spray in spray is good but not enough: the abusive language has to stop or this place could become even more confrontational than it is.

erik is probably justifyably angry because you guys are giving him a hard time as he is trying to do his job as a moderator.

nobody here is sanctioning anything. i was not stating anything about the use of snippers but denouncing trask's call to murder. i am surprised this was not obvious to everyone from what i wrote.