RedMonk

scarpa reflex is board lasted....at least if it is the on ethat i have....i'm pretty sure it is and it is a great shoe...but buy it at MEC cause you will save $30

OffWhite- thanks for that article.... i agree with it nearly completely.... to me at least many of the principals that he speaks of are obvious and are common sense.... i'm just curious what a pro-bolters motivation is as far as climbing goes.... because my approach to climbing is very minimal impact and to enjoy the environment.... what is your motivation to climb i wonder....

whatever man....i sucessfully arrested a full-on crevasse fall not 3 weeks ago...should my partner not have been roped up? should we have not been roped? cause we were not using runnign belays nor were we anchored in any way....hmm....i'm sure glad we were both so "selfish" cause if not my buddy would be dead....so fuck you

whatever man....i sucessfully arrested a full-on crevasse fall not 3 weeks ago...should my partner not have been roped up? should we have not been roped? cause we were not using runnign belays nor were we anchored in any way....hmm....i'm sure glad we were both so "selfish" cause if not my buddy would be dead....so fuck you

i find that if you have a sled for leg press at your gym....extend your legs and then do your calve raises while on the sled and the pressure is evenly distributed along your body....this works for me....

a buddy of mine was telling me that the military helie's just fly around logging air miles when there aren't rescues to be had....they get really bored he said and they are stoked when they actually get to rescue someone and the actual differentiation between the training flights that they would already be flying and the rescues are not that different....granted though that a 10 mill. $$$ heli is a significant cost....but that is not exactly a regular occurence.....

oh....and climbign isn't only american....

for me its not the danger....but the purity of the outdoors and accomplishing something that took a lot of work and determination....the fact that it is dangerous has nothing (well mabe a litte) to do with the reason that i love this sport.....

i knwo dude it sucks that they fucked up and we have to deal with the issues that they have casued....but there will always be unprepared people on glaciers as long as there are glaciers.... calling the dead ass-holes wont help keep the inexperienced away from heavily glaciated terrain and consequently raise our rates.... respect man....they were people too... they were fellow climbers too man.... i hear what you are saying i do.... but lets respect each other...we get enough crap form the media and outside agencies that we dont need to thrash on each other.... all about the love brotha

polish bob- i support your stance totally....but you are sending your message totally incorectly...no-one will listen to you when you call a guy who's corpse is still warm an "ass hole" that is just rude man....i support what you are thinking...just not necessarily what you are saying man....just think about it....

fuck you nolanr....you ficking trash me....then you trash polish bob....then now you are trashing people on this thread!?!?! get a life and climb instead of just talking about it.....

there are some one man tents....(walrus is one) that are lighter than many of the bivy sacs....i have the micro swift and it has held up on quite the gammit of ranier and wet weather...i haven't been in a big storm on ranier or anything...but the thing is pretty tough....and it is cheap too....anyways....i dig it....it just sucks to set up when your budies all have bivies...

thanks TG....fuck off eric....you are one to point out shitty delivery....you called me a kid when i took on all you fuking assholes....now i got a few people backing me up and you are the one resorting to namecalling once again.... come again...who is the kid? uh huh...that's what i thought....moderator my ass...more like shit disturber.....

touche....

eyah i'm def down with the apline...but it seems that our boy doesn't....i'm always looking for new hangouts...so i might check it out....thanks again

thanks mate see ya in da woods!

dude i have a g/f over there....if anyone knows anything over in that area....i would climb with ya....the only thing i can think anywhere near there is ex. 38....some of you vets let me know what else there is out there on the "other side"....

joekannia- there is a major problem with your momparison of our boy scrapin up a top roped 5.5 and an assault on Lib. ridge.... if you do liberty ridge....it can be assumed that you are a fairly capable mountaineer ( at least you should be).... joe was just learnin....there definitly comes a time when you start being more and more self sufficient...and if you are taking on liberty ridge (or especially ptarmigan) you should have a very high level of preparedness.... joe might have taken the no cellphone thing a little too far....but the pont he raises is valid.... we all learn sometime...but when you tae on an alpine route liek lib. ridge or something harder and more comitting, you must have an extremely high level of self-suffieciency....if you dont....you should take the D.C. escalator like everyone else.....

thank you anna.... i do not know why many of you have taken this thread so personally.... what have i said that has made this topic so engaging? sorry figure eight.... when i said "everyone" it was incorrect terminology....it was a genralization and i am sorry....but picking on my grammar isn't goin to make my opinion go away.... jsut because i just got a C- in my university english class (just got the report card today) doesn't mean i have nothing relevant to say.... i think many of you are putting words into my mouth and a few of you (anna and norman) have actually read my posts without clicking "reply" assuming that i hate technology or am some pseudo-macho punk kid.... sorry if a have offended you in some way (i dont know how i could have). had a good day of climbing....hope you all had one too.... take care and be safe (and bring a cell phone) take it easy lads

this is rather comical....none of you have been able to grasp what i have been saying....i AM NOT saying that call phones are bad to take....but they can create a situation where someone would try something they would not normally try without one because of a mindset that is induced by having help at the touch of a button..... i have never neglected to take a cell phone on ranier or any other highly glaciated peak....i never said that no-one should carry cell phones....if i did i didn't mean it....but i just said that they can creat the mindset where people may get into trouble more often knowing that there is a greater probablility of being saved....i was involved in a rescue where i was the middle ropeman and the leader fell into a crevasse....this happened a month ago and the snow was too deep to extract the leader as the rope would cut into the lip of the overhanging crevasse (even though we had prepared it...the axe itself was going deeper and deeper). we had only one rope....so we had to anchor him off and go down to get another rope from muir....we had a cell phone...but it was in the leader's pack and completely inaccessible....this is a realistic situation and if feel that the leader went into the crevasse because of this "cell phone security mentality"....he should have had a level head IN CONJUNCTION to his cell phone....but instead the cell phone numbed his sense of danger and we ended up gettin back at muir at 12 at night..... (dont try and give me rescue tips for the situation cause without another rope it would have been impossible) hopefully that clears up my position.... geesh

i do do that norman(solo).... i dont do anything that i dont feel comfortable on....but i do go out for climbs.... (sometimes out of lack of a partner) but mostly to get away from it all....as i have said before 5 or 6 times.... i dont think that they (cell phones/ radios) are a bad idea....just that the metality that often comes with them can be derogatory.... [ 05-31-2002, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: RedMonk ]

i dont think that radios and cell phones are bad...i just think that it must be understood that ability comes first and foresmost....no cell phone in teh world will save you if you are caught on the summit and didn't read the weather correctly.... people dont understand this...and that is what i am pointing out.... i dont doubt that this technology is usefull.... but know your stuff....

yes we must protect ourselves.... but not at the cost of unecessarily bringing in rangers.... this must be a rare occurence and it is seeming more and more common to just hop on the phone to get rescued...people just feel that they are invincible today.... they think of climbign as just another "xtreme sport" but it is not....people die all the time because they are not prepared or they just succumb to the risks.... even those that are prepared can die.... but we must 1st!!! be prepared to tackle anything that is probable.....and then only can we expect to have the rigth to call in a rescue....if we are haphazardly going into the mountains....it is not right to expect others to have to haul our unprepared asses off the mountain...i have not problem with cell phones and the like.... but i feel that there is a real danger that they can be crutches and numb the sense of danger.... i feel that carrying a cell phone has the capacity to be even more dangerous in that people may try more and more dangerous things because they know that help may just be 7 numbers away....just my two cents...it amkes sense to me....mabe i'm just a kid spouting...but i think that first and foremost is a level of preparedness and competence prior to venturing into the wilderness....

i may be a kid.... but i know enough about this world that people today blame someone else for everything....no-one is willing to take responsibility for their actions....cell phones make that even more probable....jsut like the addage "if you bring your bivy gear, youare gonna use it," so too if you bring a cell phone...you will be more willing to try more committing things knowing that you can "just call the rangers" calling me a kid doesn't erase my opionion....age may bring wisodom...but i dont think i am entirely void of it and deserve my own opinion....i listened to yours....many times....

tell ya what.... i would regret not having it...but the truth of the matter is that you should pick your partners well...and if you dont not trust yours and your partners judgements well enough to feel self-sufficient....then perhaps you should go hike pilchuck.... just my perspective....taking responsibility for our own lapse in judgement and that of our partners (which we pick).....