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take it easy on him, as was said before, his mousing arm is damaged from enjoying too many climbing videos.

once again higher mathematics eludes you fence sitter. as for mtngoat, engaging you in specifics is about as fun as striking up a conversation with Speak'n'Spell.

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: (insert random quibbles over semantics followed by pontification about some other stuff) …so right now we should just brush those less fortunate under the carpet. It is remarkable (and incredibly tiresome) that you could somehow, someway rationalize targeting people who see suffering in their community (and would like to figure out how to help those in need) as selfish and lazy. Am I lazy because I don’t volunteer at the soup kitchen all the time, that I am willing to consider paying someone else to deal with the problem? Maybe, but I am aware of the problem and want to do something about it realistically. You (or simply others here) are saying it’s not your problem. Where do you think the criminals you feel the need to fend off with guns come from? (and now I will have to endure challenges to point to references, etc, etc, ad nauseum).

quote: Originally posted by Muffy The Wanker Sprayer: those guys call me allll the time but it's a "courtesy call"! they're just looking out for your best interests

quote: Originally posted by Muffy The Wanker Sprayer: again, call me silly, but don't you have to have money to give money??? citibank doesn't think so...

quote: Originally posted by Off White: The spray-to-info ratio on this thread error: attempt to divide by zero...does not compute.

what we may or may not do in my basement is not your concern.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Until they can hold a job, children are irrelevant in the economic spectrum.

while I may not appreciate his arrogant and abrasive tone at times, I admire him for speaking his mind! You should pat yourself on the back imorris.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: his wrist is sore from spanking to climbing porn that's what you get for messin' with your mousing arm

I can't speak for my compatriot, but I deplore violence sir.

I am too.

all in the wrist

if I keep them on my pack and expect to use them in a glacier emergency (while lying down, etc) I clip webbing to them and clip the webbing to a pack strap by my shoulder so I have a reference point to grab and pull on (like a ripcord) to get a picket in quick (rather than flailing with an arm trying to grab the top of a picket, which is not hard, but when you might be freaked out a bit could be difficult).

on a vaguely related note I like SMC's I-Picket over the MSR ones. Seems a little less bulky and lighter. Dunno about it's holding strength in comparison

excellent I'm spending the next weekend at Crystal as a charity event to ease the suffering of our lands I'll be sure to have a large beer to make it really count

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: did I miss the part where the huddled masses came here to demand someone *else* pay their bills? Ah yes the simplistic bullshit counterpunch. I always forget to watch for that one.

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: And yet these same people are the ones who demand the most services. What we have is people who do not generate enough resources for themselves, demanding someone *else* work to serve them. so much for "give me your huddled masses".

one fun winter activity is experimenting with how quickly and efficiently you can bivy w/o getting cold and snow-coated in a blizzard AND getting a good night's sleep. a good place for this is above Timberline Lodge. Just dig in (no snow cave) and practice getting into bivy sack etc w/o getting too much snow in and getting a good night's sleep in howling wind/snow etc. If problems arise bail into Timberline Lodge's living room by fireplace!

avi's not so bad you just have to stay on TOP

I'm looking forward to junior high. Is it really that bad?