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quote: Originally posted by Dru: quote:Originally posted by sk: Even if my man was hung better than a horse, I still would not mow the lawn. Fourtunatly men are not flexible enough to not need women Make that 97% of men.... according to the PEOPLE'S ALMANAC c. 1975, Wallace, Wallace & Wallechinsky, eds. okay dru... most men need a woman from time to time

if thats what you like, you got me there. Either way it's about the same thing. you can pay in cash... or you can do the "honey-do's" all a matter of choice

Even if my man was hung better than a horse, I still would not mow the lawn. Fourtunatly men are not flexible enough to not need women

not quite I did however do my first lead with my best friend christ how old do you think I am????/ My grandmother threw her panties at tom jones sheesh Maybe I would throw my thong at the lead singer of Nicleback though

I feel realy sad now I think you are wrong and I do care and feel joy for others when the succeed and acomplish. I am also often inspired be those that I meet, and people that I know. I think that human conection is one of the most valuble assets that we have. So pm me and tell me why you are nervous

So dru could collect donations for every step it takes him to climb and then donate the money to said organization. I will lay down my pennys for dru I don't want to get in a big debate here and don't get me wrong, I LOVE FIREMEN. My godfather is/was one for more than 30 years. This is my point, yes people should donate money to worthy causes... but sometimes when we are deeply effected by a situation we need to mark it, pay respect to it in a way that is personaly meaningful. Sending a check can not always fill that need. I consider the hike that I take every sunday to be my "church" So from my point of veiw what dru perposes is most meaningful and symbolic. [ 08-20-2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: sk ]

I was under the impression yard work was man work... like Bar-B-Qing

I think it sounds like a good idea. why not?

quote: Originally posted by trask: quote:Originally posted by sk: it's the dandylions that are taking over... of course I guess I could consider them camoflouge if I made better use of my garden area A Concept !! Yard work SUCKS! takes away from climbing time. Dream landscape= dirt, big rock with many fun boulder problems sure flowers are pretty, but you have to remember to water them and shit. I can do many things, NOT PLANTS. I kill house plants, and yard growing things....

dwayner, thanks for the clarification, cuase you in a bad mood today , I almost cried. maybe breakfast seconds are in order, no? peace love and understanding sk

I never thought about that as a problem... it's the dandylions that are taking over... of course I guess I could consider them camoflouge if I made better use of my garden area

And i was hoping that napalm would solve the WEED problem in my back yard tooo bad, I guess I will have to come up with something else... thanks DFA

gee, I wonder if DFA will chime in on this???? So what I am hearing you guys say is that, that may be true in sport climbing (not real climbing), but does not apply to trad(real climbing)???? I knew there was a reason I love cracks and stoppers and cams, of course a realy solid rope gun doesn't hurt either... 'Cause I like to toprope

it is in the etiquette section of the smith guide book. and I quote "Most distressing are the marathon top rope sessions. It's frustrating when you can't lead your project because 20 people are waiting in line to toprope it. Those wanting to redpoint a route typicaly have priority over toproping climbers" And just to set the record straight, I didn't ask the kids to move. I asked how long they thought they were going to be, they asked why, I told them that I was hoping to lead that climb and was tooo chicken shit to lead anything else... they volenteard to move. Nice kids can't we all just get along

I read somewhere that lead climbs have rights and if some one is top roping or planning to top rope a climb, and someone willing to lead comes along said top roper is SUPOSED to excuse themselves and let the lead climb go. You can toprope for un limited # of hours, someone who leads usualy leads and moves on.... I think the kid has a point. But that could be old school who knows has any one else heard or read this????/ I have had climbers do this at local crag. I show up to do MY ONE lead and some kids moved over so I could get on my perferd climb...

I don't think that it is leagle to discharge a fire arm of any kind within city limits. That includes bb guns and pelet(sp) guns. But I don't know for sure, and it certinly never stoped my dad. But then we had cool neighbors just a thought, but maybe the snaffles are okay, and it is the neighbor that is the problem I would never sugest that you shoot someone, But I have been known to move because some ass moves in next door.

this wednesday the 21st 6:30 @ the collums. Be there or br square

the sad thing here is that I mostly climb cracks... yeah sure it's basalt, and WAY diffrent than granit, But I realy had hoped I would do better. I would go back right now if I could.... I send 5.8's in the gorge at smith (following) NO problem... I just got schooled and Now, I WANT MORE!!!!!!

personaly, I think it's hard either way. if I fail, I want to get right back out there, and work it out, correct my mistakes, try again, and if I am successful I probably wasn't ready to leave anyway. I have the vacation blues, BAD!!!!!!

verry informaly I learned relaxation exercises in theater when younger. I still use some of those skills, but they are hard to "teach" over the internet. I find yoga verry useful although I am not "trained" in that either. Are you looking for something you can do on a regulare basis? or just right before you climb?

quote: Originally posted by Winter: I guess I'll add my 2 cents. Earlier this year I was tied into a rope team of 3 on Liberty Ridge on rather mellow but exposed and very icy terrain. The leader didn't place pro, missed a step and shot down towards the Carbon glacier taking me with him. Luckily our 3rd guy happened to be on a patch of snow and self-arrested. Scary shit. That was at about 12,000 feet, so we had a ways to go over the top. The only way to control the fear was to take every move one step at a time. Focus on the task at hand, think about what you need to do and do it. Once you're committed, I think that's the only way to get it done. On a slightly different note, we all said after the fact that guys somehow have an ability to shake of life-threatening situations and treat each other like dirt just as they did the minute before. The question, however, was whether a woman could keep it together in the same situation. At the risk of being crushed with brutal e-mail and accepting the fact that I am making a completely unjustifiable generalization, does anyone see any difference in the way women (the more emotional sex) handle crisis situations in the moutains? I don't think that you are wrong.... this is just MY PERSONAL oppinion, but I think though a group of women would handle that situation VERY DIFFRENTLY, they could handle it JUST AS WELL. It would just not be how you would handle it. Men and women are diffrent, bottom line, no two ways about it. There are things that I will do with my best friend that I would never have fun doing with my husband.

quote: Originally posted by carolyn: And to the others... Do you notice a pattern in your level of fear? Like...stressed out in other areas of your life=harder to manage fear? When I posted about my accident someone wrote the following which I try to remember often.... "Breathe. Accept. Dont Ruminate. Enjoy now. Seek tomorrow. Dont project the past into the future. Breathe!" I hope there is something that has been said in this thread which helps even in the smallest way. carolyn Carolyn_ verry cool quote, thanks for sharing!!! I had an experience recently that I think speaks to your question. I was camping with my family and some friends at smith. We had the kids along and were trying to climb. It was hot and the kids were not tolerating it well at all. They were whinney and not behaving well. We got 5 climbs in the first day, including my first sport lead at smith. Then we tried to climb again the next day. I woke up pissed off and everything just went down hill from there. I ended up backing off a lead that I am pretty sure I could do under diffrent curcumstances. I clipped the first bolt and froze. I couldn't go. I was so angry at myself I cried and the whole thing JUST SUCKED! Generaly, I have learnd to copartmenalize my life and focus on what is infront of me. But sometimes I just can't get my head into the game, and thats it... time to go home. So yes stress in my life can effect my climbing. But it is very situational. sk

I think I may need hiking lessons. I would MUCH rather climb 3rd class(haven't done 4th) than trudge arround on dirt trails. On dirt I slide , fall on my ass and struggle. 3rd class up or down I feel solid and happy to be making progress. any suggestions? besides the obvious, that I am an idiot

quote: Originally posted by fern: I'm not icegirl Sorry FERN my bad [ 08-19-2002, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: sk ]

quote: Originally posted by glen: I think the advice above is pretty good. When I had started climbing, I was so scared of heights I'd be gripped 10' off the ground on a TR. I got over it by getting out on easier stuff and just getting off the ground with appropriate climbing partners. I also took a near-dead rope into a climbing gym one day and just started taking whippers until I understood that it was okay. It was mentally difficult, but incredibly helpful in getting beyond the mental block of falling. Every season, I have to 'get my head right' again, but it climbing is so damn much fun that it is worth the effort of moving past mental blocks. Encouraging the mentality of committment in other activities like mountain biking helps too, in addition to keeping you in better shape for those steep approaches. Climb On! This has been sugested to me as well. In a gym, relativly controled environment. Just to check out what it FEELS like to take a leader fall. not outside, not on placed gear. Considering it. Wondering if it will help at all. I also agree with what Fern said about improving all over fitness and strength. Hoping that will help with the big aproches and that the endurance will help with my climbing. [ 08-19-2002, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: sk ]