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I don't think that it is leagle to discharge a fire arm of any kind within city limits. That includes bb guns and pelet(sp) guns. But I don't know for sure, and it certinly never stoped my dad. But then we had cool neighbors just a thought, but maybe the snaffles are okay, and it is the neighbor that is the problem I would never sugest that you shoot someone, But I have been known to move because some ass moves in next door.

this wednesday the 21st 6:30 @ the collums. Be there or br square

the sad thing here is that I mostly climb cracks... yeah sure it's basalt, and WAY diffrent than granit, But I realy had hoped I would do better. I would go back right now if I could.... I send 5.8's in the gorge at smith (following) NO problem... I just got schooled and Now, I WANT MORE!!!!!!

personaly, I think it's hard either way. if I fail, I want to get right back out there, and work it out, correct my mistakes, try again, and if I am successful I probably wasn't ready to leave anyway. I have the vacation blues, BAD!!!!!!

verry informaly I learned relaxation exercises in theater when younger. I still use some of those skills, but they are hard to "teach" over the internet. I find yoga verry useful although I am not "trained" in that either. Are you looking for something you can do on a regulare basis? or just right before you climb?

quote: Originally posted by Winter: I guess I'll add my 2 cents. Earlier this year I was tied into a rope team of 3 on Liberty Ridge on rather mellow but exposed and very icy terrain. The leader didn't place pro, missed a step and shot down towards the Carbon glacier taking me with him. Luckily our 3rd guy happened to be on a patch of snow and self-arrested. Scary shit. That was at about 12,000 feet, so we had a ways to go over the top. The only way to control the fear was to take every move one step at a time. Focus on the task at hand, think about what you need to do and do it. Once you're committed, I think that's the only way to get it done. On a slightly different note, we all said after the fact that guys somehow have an ability to shake of life-threatening situations and treat each other like dirt just as they did the minute before. The question, however, was whether a woman could keep it together in the same situation. At the risk of being crushed with brutal e-mail and accepting the fact that I am making a completely unjustifiable generalization, does anyone see any difference in the way women (the more emotional sex) handle crisis situations in the moutains? I don't think that you are wrong.... this is just MY PERSONAL oppinion, but I think though a group of women would handle that situation VERY DIFFRENTLY, they could handle it JUST AS WELL. It would just not be how you would handle it. Men and women are diffrent, bottom line, no two ways about it. There are things that I will do with my best friend that I would never have fun doing with my husband.

quote: Originally posted by carolyn: And to the others... Do you notice a pattern in your level of fear? Like...stressed out in other areas of your life=harder to manage fear? When I posted about my accident someone wrote the following which I try to remember often.... "Breathe. Accept. Dont Ruminate. Enjoy now. Seek tomorrow. Dont project the past into the future. Breathe!" I hope there is something that has been said in this thread which helps even in the smallest way. carolyn Carolyn_ verry cool quote, thanks for sharing!!! I had an experience recently that I think speaks to your question. I was camping with my family and some friends at smith. We had the kids along and were trying to climb. It was hot and the kids were not tolerating it well at all. They were whinney and not behaving well. We got 5 climbs in the first day, including my first sport lead at smith. Then we tried to climb again the next day. I woke up pissed off and everything just went down hill from there. I ended up backing off a lead that I am pretty sure I could do under diffrent curcumstances. I clipped the first bolt and froze. I couldn't go. I was so angry at myself I cried and the whole thing JUST SUCKED! Generaly, I have learnd to copartmenalize my life and focus on what is infront of me. But sometimes I just can't get my head into the game, and thats it... time to go home. So yes stress in my life can effect my climbing. But it is very situational. sk

I think I may need hiking lessons. I would MUCH rather climb 3rd class(haven't done 4th) than trudge arround on dirt trails. On dirt I slide , fall on my ass and struggle. 3rd class up or down I feel solid and happy to be making progress. any suggestions? besides the obvious, that I am an idiot

quote: Originally posted by fern: I'm not icegirl Sorry FERN my bad [ 08-19-2002, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: sk ]

quote: Originally posted by glen: I think the advice above is pretty good. When I had started climbing, I was so scared of heights I'd be gripped 10' off the ground on a TR. I got over it by getting out on easier stuff and just getting off the ground with appropriate climbing partners. I also took a near-dead rope into a climbing gym one day and just started taking whippers until I understood that it was okay. It was mentally difficult, but incredibly helpful in getting beyond the mental block of falling. Every season, I have to 'get my head right' again, but it climbing is so damn much fun that it is worth the effort of moving past mental blocks. Encouraging the mentality of committment in other activities like mountain biking helps too, in addition to keeping you in better shape for those steep approaches. Climb On! This has been sugested to me as well. In a gym, relativly controled environment. Just to check out what it FEELS like to take a leader fall. not outside, not on placed gear. Considering it. Wondering if it will help at all. I also agree with what Fern said about improving all over fitness and strength. Hoping that will help with the big aproches and that the endurance will help with my climbing. [ 08-19-2002, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: sk ]

I agree to some extent with forest and tg. I think that fear is a natral part of climbing. It is learning to MANAGE the fear that is a LEARNED skill. Because I am just learning to lead, I am facing alot of thease issues. I definatly lead on things that I KNOW I can climb. Not verry spicey, true. But I am slowly gaining experience in a way that I find useful. I often lead when I climb with my best friend who just started climbing. It's comfortable, she climbs at my leading limit. It works out. I have learned that for me it is a real challenge to be lead dog. I have never realy had the experience of climbing with someone at the same limit I am at. interesting question fern

OMG Dru I think that should be mad into a poster or something. next thing you know, we will have"chicken soup for the climbers soul"

nope, next one would be sept.4 we are every other weekers, untill we get more people.

sort of off topic, but a mental issue. I have found that I am just flat out pissed off that I can't seem to climb as hard or deal with the MAJOR aprouches that my male climbing partners can do. I never swing leads and and often times feel like a burden. But what I am comming to understand is that it is important to climb with people who are there to climb with me because they enjoy my company. So my suggestion would be to give yourself a break. Take the time to heal your spirit. PTSD is a big deal and takes time to over come. It will happen. Determination is good, but sometimes you can do yourself more harm than good if you push too far too fast.

I would say that the picknicking there is hard. We parked at a trail head thinking we would take the boys on a hike and eat some lunch . A way to spend an afternoon. so we get out of the car and me being nieve I expected we could pay our $ in what my 6 year old calls a "three dollar" machine. But NO. It's alll complicated, and you have to GO get some funky pass and the fill out another pass, It's amazing to me that anyone goes threw the trouble at all. and Dru, I get it.... "I'm not worthy" totaly had the "I should just leave my rock shoes right here and take up knitting" moment. but it passed. And I may suck, I may always suck, but I'm having a good time falling and being humbled by nature. As it should be

it's all in "horsecock heaven" scroll down a bit

I should have known I am seeing spots now.... damn you

excuse#1 just got home from leavenworth lastnight excuse#2 did a "big" 2 mile hike this morning excuse#3 read auto sig... I hurt

Awsome TR's!!!! I never looked at getting lost and off route as part of the washington experience. I am feeling way better about my adventure learning sk

quote: Originally posted by Dru: quote:Originally posted by krazy 1: ok i get all of those. but if horsecock is summer sausage and the like, what are pep sticks and little smokies? its ALL horsecock. uhhh dru I think you may be mistaken here. I found a bag of what I am sure should be called "snake cock" and will fom now on refer to that wich can not be horse cock as snake cock

I'm saying that I am a crying whining baby woman that has been spoiled be the signage at smith

I'm only doing this 'cause some one asked... so here goes. For starters does anyone have a house they want to give to us we are seriously considering a move. Washington ROCKS!!!! the majority of our trip was camping with the kids. When we got to 8mile campground I laid down on the picnic table, and through the trees I saw the most beautiful and overwhelming amount of rock that I have EVER seen in my whole life. My breath was taken away. And lets face it, from that point on I knew I was in way over my head. There are no gaper signs, no arrows to say climb over there. So, we got misplaced on our way up to Givler's Dome (JK wont let me say LOST) we finally found it and realized that we didn't have enough of a rack (must get more cams) to climb it. Disappointed, but at least we saw it. BTW really enjoyed the 3rd class scramble on the way to the dome!!! Much fun so we hiked back down to Alphabete wall and JK lead Dogleg Crack 5.8+*** realy fun climb (I fell) and then we went to Classic Crack, where we saw the ONLY group of climbers we saw the whole day friday. and jk lead that (stud) and I fell Are you seeing how my week went???? we realy had a great time. Enjoyed Leavenworth the camping was great the kids had tons of fun and we got to drink beer with figger8 at duckboys so there you go! thank you for asking and next time I go to leavenworth I want to climb with someone familiar with the area [ 08-18-2002, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: sk ]

sorry we missed you ice guy, we left before you posted and were on our way out of Leavenworth on saterday. We had a duckboys pub club friday night! it was fun. Maybe we can get more people next time, we will be going back hope you had fun!!!

Best part of bouldering is when you use your HOT spotter as a crash pad hooray for not pulling the move

My mom eats pb& mayo, pb& pickles and she doesn't even like to climb stairs... Having just returned from horsecock heaven I think I will stick with the tried and true