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'The worst lie you can tell is the one you tell to yourself.' did I just make that up??? I'm sure I heard it or read it somewhere I just can't remember where

quote: Originally posted by snoboy: quote:Originally posted by Muffy The Wanker Sprayer: NOPE.... what am I missing? You're missing lots. If you read the book, then you will get a recipe for "Souris a la Creme." Who could live without that?? I supose I will have to read the book then... I just hope they have an engish traslation as I flunked french (not kissing though )

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: muffy...i weigh 180 lbs...a packet of miso isn't gonna fuel me for a day of ice climbing and glacier travel...that lil bastard ate lots o my stash adn i had to regain the nourishment...since he ate my food...i wuz gunna gets it back... hey...i was gonna cook him...what's the big deal? well at least you were going to cook him

quote: Originally posted by Anna: I have learned my lesson...this is simply not my bag, baby. I realized what I have done wrong, I will try, always try, to practice more situational awareness and vigilence in everything I do. Yes, the lesson has been learned....Climb on.... it is none of my business, but I do believe this topic has been played out. We have all tried to convay our points and oppinions in the best way that we could. Some people have hurt feelings and some have said things publicly (umm me) that perhaps would have been better said in privite. I would like to believe that Anna is true to her word and hope that you all can take your personality issues else where. Anna says she has learnd her lesson. May she go on to face everything in her life with wisdome and grace.

your voice, your coice... too bad though realy. I was trying to be a friend to you. what use is a friend to whom you can not tell the truth?

NOPE.... what am I missing?

WOW! I have never seen a tripple post before how rare and exciting

eating mice is sick especialy when it is just as easy and more tasty to find a bunny or something.

You and me at castle rock with shred mntranger highlander and tex right????

Jk told you that day at smith out right to your face that the anchor you set was unsafe and offered to teach you to do it right YOU BLEW HIM OFF LIKE IT WAS NO BIG DEAL. I want to point out that I realy care about you anna. BUT if you want to learn you have to let people teach you. when you went with shred and mntranger I told you I didn't want to go you said you wanted to lead, I said i did not because I did not feel safe. I was there that was what I said. I am sorry if you have taken anything I have said here the wrong way or personaly. we are all learning. I am glad you are not dead. I hope you do climb again. Please turn on your pm's.

personaly when I screw up big time I would rather some one just tell me about it straight up. even if it does make me cry. I am not a fan of being politicaly correct, and some times the truth hurts. granted, not everyone is like me

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: didnt' he say that she equalized her anchor so that if one piece failed, all failed? are you talking about what JK said about what happened at smith in may????

shred- two things 1) she did not deck (hit the ground) 2) if she would have rappled and it by some miracle had worked she would not have learned this hopefuly VALUABLE lesson.

for me I guess I am still just trying to sort out my own feelings... I'm sure shred is as well. DUDE! stop blaming your self. It is no more your fault than it is mine. Hopefuly anna realy did learn from this. I know I did and it didn't even happen to me, the idea of loosing a friend is frightening. lets just all climb safely isn't that why we all do the double checking and backing up that we do??? so we can avoid the avoidable???

NO!!!!! Anna should not have asked for it... how can you asses someone else when they do not represent themselves acuratly????

shred... I in no way think you are responsable for anything that happened. I asked anna that day if she was sure she wanted to lead... meaning I didn't think it was great idea. perhaps I should have been louder or said more, for that I am sorry.

I'm not sure how you could miss it... you all did forget to trail a rope on givlers... two pitches, three climbers I don't mean to be a bitch shred, but you should know better and if you don't you should climb with someone who does. you were, in my oppinion, the most experienced climber in that group. Just because people are louder than you doesn't make them better. [ 11-02-2002, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Muffy The Wanker Sprayer ]

THAT IS SOOOOOO SICK!!!!!

jk's point is that this was, in our, experience not a one time thing. and yes I do and will continue to climb with anna. I just realy hope she learns from this and gets some books and learns to learn from the people arround her offering solid knowledge and experience. If you want to learn you can not tell people that you already know.

snowboy- I have met and climbed with anna many times and have gently tried to encourage her to get more knowledge... I even tried to encourage her to NOT lead that day. Not to be a bitch BUT I DO KNOW ANNA> jk and I have tried to teach her and help her many times. I told her that i would not go over there and climb with her and the others over there becuase i did not feel safe with any of there leading ability on climbs that I know to be more difficult than the rating. now I have to read the rest of your post. sk

necranomicon just scred me so bad I think I will stay home tomorrow tooo (good points btw) iain check your e-mail

two thing to remember folks... 1) you have to keep your wits about you when you climb. 2) there is a MAJOR difference between confidence and OVERCONFIDENCE. In order for all of this to work, for us to be a comuinty, for all of us to meet each other and climb and have rope ups and other fun things we all have to take personal responsability. We have to be honest with ourselves about our own ability levels and with our climbing partners. If we do not do this, this forum looses it's integraty and we don't get to do this any more... we will become like the dinasours. (I know integraty, what am I thinking? but realy almost everyone one I have met here has been solid and straight up about there skill level and what they are comfortable with. had it been or if it were to become the other way arround, i doubt I would be interested in posting here or climbing with those I met here. Your word is your bond and your honnor. I think even trask would agree with that. yes I know we joke arround alot and yes I am one of the worst, but when it comes to actualy climbing I hold it as my responsability to my self and my climbing partners to represent my ability and experience as honestly as possible)

I agree... and yet I am a total wimp climbing is one of those things that to excell at you have to be bold. I feel that boldness must be tempered with knowledge and experience, or you die.

my fault I forgot to log out after I posted

Oops... [ 11-02-2002, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Muffy The Wanker Sprayer ]