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whatever it takes to win seriously - the past couple of democratic presidential candidates were wimps when it came to dealing w/ mud-slinging - if the dems are going to win again, they have to be quick to respond to these mind-numbing conservative attacks w/ a good old fashioned "you know what? FUCK YOU!" the proles don't give a shit about a well-reasoned argument in support a virtous position. they just like drama.

thread killer!

turnabout's fair-play though, right? seriously, a significant reason liberals have lost the last 2 elections is b/c they've been pussies and too afraid to fight dirty like their slimey opponents - maybe it's time they start doing some wrong in the name of right? beats bitchign about it from the outside...

when the revolution comes, i have no doubt i'll be one of the first put up against the wall

and big fan of seeing conservatives pissed off and moaning

fine by me

bush I sent us troops into somalia while he was a lame duck i think a very large # of folks who wouldn't mind a war w/ iran would still be alarmed by a lame duck president committing the next admin to such a monstrously large task imho, probababilty of all out war w/ iran this year <1% now, i wouldn't be at all suprised if bush decided to do some sorta commando or air-strike type deal in his final days - i would be equally suprised if there wasn't a huge shit-storm surronding such an act too. i am hopeful that the folks around bush wouldn't be so stupid as to provoke iran w/ an air-strike knowing they couldn't do anything to follow it up.

Lively up yourself and dont be no drag Lively up yourself, cause this is the other bag Hey, lively up yourself and dont be no drag You lively up yourself, dig it, the other bag Hey, you rock so, you rock so, like you never did before You dip so, you dip so, and you can dip thru my door You come so, you come so, oh yeah, like I do adore you You skank so, you skank so, and-a I can assure you You can lively up yourself and dont be no drag Hey, you lively up yourself, can you dig it? Hey (you rock so, you rock so), like you never did before You dip so, you dip so, can you dig it? You lively up yourself and dont be no drag You lively up yourself, cause this is the other bag Hey, lively up yourself Lively up yourself, other bag Can you dig it? can you dig it? ...

christ, we're like only a few seconds away from having to read another chapter of war'n'f'n'peace!

anything by bob marley

not when you're batting against a guy who can throw a 90 mph fastball or guarding against a bunt while playing third base

and no one had to pry shit out of his hands after he was dead!

shit - arch is right - i shoudl stay the hell away from anything involving religion - it was the one rant of my teenage years it took a decade to shut off. i don't know if there's ever been a constructive argument about religion. i think the horror of being forced to sit through mass after mass for 18 long damn years did irreparable damage. it bugs me that i still have all that brain space filled up w/ all that garbage, that i can walk back into a catholic church and still remember when to kneel, to stand, when to break out my wallet and what to say after snack-time. so, why not lighten things up w/ another dead guy words? a guy certainly cooler that charlton heston, who had no end of funny things to say about religion and as such had the best attitude for countenacing its silliness, a man who wrote a "wholly remarkable book...more popular than the Celestial Home Care Omnibus, better selling than Fifty-three More Things to do in Zero Gravity, and more controversial than Oolon Colluphid's trilogy of philosophical blockbusters Where God Went Wrong, Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes and Who is this God Person Anyway? " some douglas admas' pearls: "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. " "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. " "There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." "He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot." "I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it." "If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give 'em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves. " "The Guide is definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate." "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" "I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." "If I were not an atheist, I think I would have to be a Catholic because if it wasn't the forces of natural selection that designed fish, It must have been an Italian."

"summertime rolls" by jane's addiction Fell into A sea of grass And disappeared among The shady blades... Children all Ran over me Screaming tag! You are the one! He trips her as Her sandals fail She says stop! I'm a girl... Whose fingernails are made Of mother's pearl... Yellow buttercup Helicopters Orange buttercat Chasing after The crazy bee Mad about somebody... Me and my girlfriend Don't wear no shoes Her nose is painted pepper Sunlight... She loves me I mean it's serious As serious can be... She sings a song and I listen to what it says: If you want a friend Feed any animal... There was so much space I cut me a piece With some fine wine It brought peace to my mind In the summertime... And it rolled Summer.... oh... Oh.... the summertime rolls

and yet one of the most fantastic examples of christian horseshit came during the reformation as christians slaughtered each other and their children by the bushels in the name of discerning "true" christians from "christian pretenders." you can't be a christian and believe in fighting. ever. for any reason. and so pretty much every christian that ever lived was a "christain pretender."

why is it the religion tangents that alwasy get this notable nod?

smiff - 5 gallon buckets?

it's too late!

how about a mohel at your next bris?

Though they may both be "good guys", it remains that, mentally, Bill is an adult of consideration and TTK a deluded, troubled adolescent. but have you met bill?!? to say someone is deluded is to imply there is a proper way to understand the universe, which is, itself, a pretty adolescent idea at any rate, i'm bored to death by fucking white-bread honkies - both them boys are high-powered mutants, bog's own proto-types...

good lord - i'm all for the ladies letting the girls free, but damn, heather looks like an albino zulu-princess w/o a bra!

i realize this, but like your mama probably said, you're judged by the company you keep. christians have tolerated and even embraced enough assholes in their time to have ruined their potential good name forever. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude the central message of christ is "be nice to everybody" - that we should all be pacifists, a laudable and noble idea, and one that damn near 99% of christians hypocritically reject as "unrealistic" and yet still have the balls to claim they're "christian" i have no problems w/ the amish or the quakers - but then that's b/c they're actually pretty true christians, eh?

i'd say quite the opposite: if anyone believes christians love thy neighbors, they're fucking idiots. even the "idiots guide to history" has ample evidence of christians raping, pillaging and destroying every goddamn thing around them. the general rule for christians is: be nasty little bastards like men always have, but cloak it in a lot of happy horseshit. oh, and be offended when the heathens have the temerity to notice your hypocrism. that said, i'm willing to concede there have been rare instances of christians actually turning the other cheek and being something other than aggressive assmunches. and i'm not saying aethists are any better at being "good" people - they're just more honest about being assholes.

did someone say something about beacon? i can clamber round on friday after school (3 pm)...

that wasn't the experience of AIM members in the '70s - still, i'd concede your larger point, of course we don't use tanks to run over protestors on a regular basis (did shoot up some protestors at kent state though, and that whole anti-civil rights thing in the south was a weeee bit violent).