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quote: Originally posted by Neri: Looking for a woman's shell in very reasonable price or on sale with/without the hype of Gore-Tex any recommendations for something that really working without breaking the bank You'll sweat in ANY laminate. Pick your poison or just get wet and dry out at camp. Only way I'd have a hard shell was if I was climbing in nasty conditions or ice climbing. You'll still sweat-out under though. [This message has been edited by Neri (edited 08-12-2001).] [This message has been edited by Neri (edited 08-13-2001).]

quote: Originally posted by scott: please explain why it is funny and acceptable to name a group even if its a joke group after the kkk. just because something is supposed to be a joke doesn't mean that it is funny. and i would say that most people who are "trad" only and are so loud about it can't climb steep and have terrible footwork. Scott, tell the truth, you're still breast-feeding aren't you. Go change your diaper.

Scott- weren't you the guy I saw on TV news the other day, that was marching with the Gay-Pride sign and sporting a black patent leather climbing belt with studs and thong? It had to have been you.

MattP I was on the Ptarmigan Ridge at Baker yesterday. Went up to the glacier. Was yesterday a killer day or what. Weather doesn't get much better than that.

Yeah smartwool is awesome but spendy get whatcha pay for though Have a good weekend climbin everybody, the weather forcast looks great summer...finally!

Why tempt fate? You wanna take risks...cool...go climb Everest.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Mike O'b what are the GPS coordinates of that location? Capt needs to know to program the cruise missile properly. I can't get that detailed due to my agreement with the witness protection program.

quote: Originally posted by lambone: Oh yeah, please support the little guys! Small retailers are introuble cause of these .coms and wholsale magazines. Buy from Jim, but be carefull not to make him feel "uncomfortable"! I refuse to buy anything online. I very seldom use REI, for obvious reasons. I met Jim for the first time yesterday at his store, and found him to be totally cool, mellow, informative, and not trying to pressure me for a sale. I buy all my shit at either Cascade Crags, Base Camp in Bellingham, and now that I found him (thanks to you guys) Pro Mountain Sports. By the way, Jim wanted me to tell all my friends that his Smartwool was cheaper than REI's; which it is.

What's everybody so scared of Caveman for? Who's he think he is, Randy Savage? P.S. To Caveman My real name is Mike O'Brien and I live at 29314 41st ave ne Redmond WA In case you want a name and address for an answer.

Okay, than what can we do to really get their attention, passively and in earnest, to make a difference? If they could prove to those of us interested that the user fee truly goes to the maintainence and caretaking of our outdoor resources, would you guys pay the fee? Or do some of you want to just "buck the system" no matter what?

I reiterate; easier to pay Uncle his bloodmoney and get on with life. Life's too short to fight the goddamned system all the time. If you want to fight something, how about Uncle wanting to drill for oil all over the fucking place. And remember that when push comes to shove, I challenge you to convince me there's a better country to live in even with all our problems. Now I figure all you young guys, the ones all pumped up with piss and vinegar, will call bullshit to this idea, but in a few years when your testosterone level equalizes, you'll mellow some. Guaranteed. Pay the fucker.

Instead of fighting the goddamned government all the time, and believe me I'm all for it on a lot of issues, why not just pay Uncle's blood money ($30 annually) and not worry about it. I'd much rather be outside fooling around in the mountains with impunity, than worrying about showing up in some stinking courtroom or running from 5-O. $30 is cheap to get the bastards off our backs for the season.

Well thanks for the afternoon entertainment guys. I love this site. Gotta go home now and catch Jerry Springer's show...it's almost as good as this one! "So young, so angry, damn that rap music".

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Social niceties tend to be a disadvantage in the alpine? Like "Oh, I say old bean, you might wish to avoid that {SMUCK!}... too late, oh deah." doesnt work as well as just yelling "ROCK!" and to hell with the social preamble. That's not really a good example of what I was getting at with the "social" comment. What I find is that you guys speak a different language than the rest of us. Especially evident when giving good beta on routes/climbs. I ask myself "what the hell are they talking about"? LOL Like I said, I love reading your goofball posts, I just don't understand it all the time. But then, who gives a shit what allthumbs understands?

I've been reading this stuff for about 3 weeks now and here's my take. When someone really wants some serious "beta", as you call it, he tends to get it (usually the straight dope without the smartass comments). This is great, probably what the board was designed for in the first place. But, this makes for rather dull daily reading. So, Cas. Climber, in it's infinite wisdom has chosen to spice things up with the optional catagories i.e. spray, newbies, gear, etc...Makes for better entertainment/reading and much higher overall attendance. So MattP, what's wrong with just tuning out the "offensive channels" and just use the more authoratative beta info. you're in need of? What I personally find from reading the general babble is how socially removed most of you climbers seem to be from us non-climbers. It's like you live in your own little world. I'm not knocking you for that, it's just an observation. I still like reading your posts.

quote: Originally posted by erik: will, are you calling me epic? sure the whole chicken truck rollover thing with your mom, was sketchy but we worked through it. i never knew your dad was boss hog, you alabamer's just so tight! note to self, ky is not a valuable farm implement! Whydoncha take plug of bacca outta yo mouth and come again with that statement. Say what?

quote: Originally posted by Dru: I found that one kind of tricky myself until you get that OS is Outer Space and D, dreamer, but it could have been clearer. more examples! I will translate or use shortbus or is it the "3rd class, manky runout to offwidth jugs, take a Smoke Bluffs rack and 3 Crack N ups" lingo stuff you dont understand? cause there is no way to translate that. its like biochemistry . there is no easier way to say 2,4 hexadeco cistrans-butylpropionate Now, back in the world the civilians would phrase it this way: Went out hiking Saturday. I needed information about the hike so I read up on it in the current issue of "Trips and Trails" by Harvey Manning. The trail was real muddy and some asshole took a shit in the middle of the third switchback. Wasn't much better when I came to the little lake with the snow on it and found out I couldn't go fishing. What a disappointment my friends, but I did catch a glimpse of some of those young rapper-type kids climbing around on the mountainside above the lake. Gosh, that looked dangerous.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Can you give me some examples of this? cause I always understand myself so without examples it is kinda hard to figure out what you mean Dru, I wasn't picking on you specifically, so here's an example of what you climbers seem to understand, but us civilians say "what the fuck is he talking about?" "Parking breakins OS-1 D-O. D. Hike OS Dry, steep 70 min. D moist, 3rd class scramble to base. OS most of pitch one & two. Pitches OS6+D 10 D one more time. LW.D acres of granite slopes and towers.....ad nausium. I can understand some of it, and I'm sure you understand all of it. My point is simply how far removed from the main stream you guys are...probably rightly so ...heh, you're the ones up there busting ass and putting your lives on the line.

quote: Originally posted by Donna Top-Step: Hi! I'm back in town to pick up some of my stuff and visit a few friends (yes, I do have friends). Nice to read all of my "supportive" fan mail, most of which borders on the vulgar...it's interesting to see how when some young miss asks for route advice or whatever, everyone bends over to offer friendly beta, but when a strong assertive woman throws in her opinion on this and that, she's a "bitch". That's why I stopped posting here. Haven't got that yet from the folks in Boulder who seem a little less stressed. Enjoy your little controversies! Bye-bye! - Donna P.S. Dwayner: just in case you read this before I call, I can't be there tomorrow. And "pope"! Nothin' much to say to you except girls, stay away from the guy, HE CRAPS IN HIS OWN SLEEPING BAG!!!! Donna Darlin' I for one cannot stand to see you hurt this way by these buttheads. What could such a lovely as you possibly have done to deserve this shit? I have a proposition for you: If you're looking for a sensitive, thoughtful, understanding, well-hung gentleman, then I'm your man. Please contact me at fumduk69@yahoo.com with current beta on the route to your pinnacles and buttress. Your loyal servant, thumbs

quote: Originally posted by Dru: "The only friends you got in his town are Jack and Shit, and Jack left town.. all you got left is Shit!" Which movie is this line from and which PNW aid climbing hardman frequently repeats it? Don't know for sure but sounds like something either Jack Nickleson or Dennis Hopper would say.

quote: Originally posted by willstrickland: See, the key here is to attempt this in one of the only two reasonable ways: 1. sit sideways on the hammock with feet touching the ground. Mount up, and use the planted feet for some leverage and sway action. 2. Straddle the hammock with feet touching the ground. Mount up, use feet for leverage and sway action. Trying this with female on bottom is a really good way to see what having your nuts in a vice is like...as soon as they get pinned in one of the holes and she starts sliding downward...YEEEOOOWWWW! Forgive the graphic description, but it's all in the interest of your friends down below. Okay, that blows. Try this: Fit her up with a full body harness and clip her into the ridge line with a couple biners at Mr. Happy's level of erection and direction, and rock on!

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Have you ever tried to have sex in a hammock? Rosie Palm never has a headache.

quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: Never climb with your "X"? pope not only climbed with his "X", he took her on his ridiculous "Cirque Expedition" a couple of years ago! (The EX in question be a certain Miss "Donna Top-Step".) If I recall, they had a serious falling-out perhaps two months before the trip but they went anyway. pope, at the time, was thinkin' with his li'l head, the timeless wisdom here being that THE LITTLE HEAD DOESN'T HAVE A BRAIN. I've heard both sides of the story and it seems that pope was lookin' for some base-camp booty with his "X" and got rejected BIG-TIME! Donna ain't so bad...I don't know why she's so disliked by the cyberalpinists, she's actually kind of a sweet girl but I guess I should comment on that elsewhere... P.S. Did I mention that she's hot??? Sorry, D. if you're reading this! Jesus, after reading that story I sure hope you, Pope, and Donna are tight buddies. It must be laundry day!

quote: Originally posted by Jman: I think they are about $150 at REI. Seriously, though, at one point I was considering this as an alternative lightweight shelter. The things that really turned me off were: [1] As Will said, you have to be a back sleeper - I'm not. [2] Unless you're in the tropics, you DO need insulation under you (Hennessy recommends a space blanket, but that will rip right off with any significant wind). So you're back to carrying a pad - not much different than using a bivy bag on the ground. And [3] location requirements - you may find an ideal spot for the hammock which happens to be above ground that none of your buddy's could pitch a tent on, so you'll spend the night alone. Or, if you're above tree line, you may have nothing to hang it from. Unless you get claustrophobic, IMHO a bivy is much better in the alpine environment. And if there's more than one of you, a lightweight tent for 2 or 3 can be just as weight-economical as bivies (or hammocks) for each. REI claims you can sleep on your side. They have one set up at the seattle store. I'm gonna try it. Like I said somewhere before, I'm not a real climber like you guys and could probably always fit a couple trees in my pocket.

Maybe this has been hashed before, but any thoughts on one of these hammocks, assuming you have two trees handy of course.