I agree Aidan those are excellent tools that I own myself and use now. But you can bet that I will be sporting a set of Flys this winter though.. I tried them out and prefer them. This winter I demoed the Fly, BD Cobra, the Quark, and Grivel light and top machines. For just alpine get the fly it is all you need and will also suffice when you graduate to water ice..
[This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 07-25-2001).]