Peter_Puget

Jefferson Airplane was a universal band! They belong to us all.......

We are sinking bail faster! Faster! Faster! The best rate for corporate taxation is...(drumroll)...zero

Kevbone – May I suggest this group! They sure were a crazy bunch. Check out this (link) video where the lead singer jumps off stage to deal with a bunch of pesky bikers. I only wish they threw Grace off the stage. I know you’ll want to see more so search youtube for their rooftop performance in '68 of House on Pooneil Corner. I think it was filmed by Jean Luc Goddard. Just remember to turn up the bass! Oh yea..I think Hot Tuna (the guitarist & bassist) will be in Seattle on 7/3 – buy your tickets early.

As a sidebar: Jayb I am sure we discussed this before with Jim. I seem to recall posting links and data comparing things like housing square footage, appliance ownership, auto ownership, caloric intake of American 'poor" and french middle class. Anyway Jim would witness lemmings jumping gof a cliff and say their problem was one of lack of health insurance.

Jim You seem to have a consistent problem with comprehension. You see what you want to see regardless of what is written. For an example other than our earlier discussion lets examine the post that I am quoting here. Mt points were: I mention squandering but even more so I refer to the existing cultures and how such an infusion of funds would impact them. Oddly I do show a link discussing ruling elites in my post. You mocked me earlier saying that you doubted I read your "source" documentation but dont seemed to have even looked at mine. These elite are an important part of my critique. You missed that. Zimbabwe's problems are in the long run political. The increasing poverty, violence and unrest are a direct result of the ruling elite. I also posted a link to a Reserve Bank study regarding South America. Read it you might find it interesting. Look at North Korea freaking wasteland. South Korea is somewhere around the 11th larget economy. After looking at pictures of its capital taken by my father just after the Korean war and having been there on business trips I am mazed on how fact they recovered. Look at China - millions dying under Mao now they have changed their process and are becoming rich. Again after being there I am still amazed. The gates foundation gives what 1.2 billion? What you are suggesting is quite a bit more and my guess is it a BS number ot begin with. (much like your poverty study) I stand by my opinion that the biggest problem isnt funds but rather how to deliver them and their impact. By the way I am not saying we should aid other countries I am highly skeptical that your solution will work.

Jim’s original post: Asking Jim to clarify and then correct an assertion he claimed was important and in his opening paragraph is hardly being petty especially since he was making a comparison that is utter silliness. Anyone who has been around the world realizes that the utter poverty in many countries is simply not comparable to anything in the US. To suggest otherwise is just mindless chatter. The funny thing is it really doesn’t have much to do with the donation scheme that follows. Here are some issues I would have with any such donation scheme: 1) Assuming that donations were made how would a mechanism be created to best delivery the “goods.” Historically billions have been given and squandered. The funds have destroyed indigenous economies and strengthened dictators and corrupt ruling elites. 2) It is these elites and the political economy of these regions that is the primary cause of their current condition. A while ago I posted a link to a paper (JayB I think commented nicely on it perhaps he can remember where it is) The poverty problems of the world in general are process problems not lack of wealth problems. EDIT: INteresting read Another good read

OK let's clear it up for you. The US came in worse than Russia and Mexico in poverty rates. They did better than only Russia and Mexico in the percent of resources they devote to federal poverty programs. Time to troll the right wing blogs now for some obscure linky link. Thanks to Bablefish I am able to translate this post from the bullshit:

HUH? I respond to your points and yet I am accused of cherry picking? What do you mean by sources? If you mean the article you referenced in error I did read it. If you mean the second Seattle Times article I read it. No where do either of these articles say anything to support your contention. Now if you mean the Luxemborg study and the UN study I am confused. As mentioned before the UN study was not mentioned in the Seattle Times or in your first post, IIRC. The Lux study was mentioned by the Times article but you did not refer to the study only the article. No matter what these "sources" say they cannot logically support your claim that was not based on them. What’s even crazier is you now say this: But you originally wrote this: Oh the glorious chaos that is Jim's mind!

2) http://www.unicef.org/pon96/indust4.htm a link to a source that summarizes the child poverty data and the US in last place. While interesting this link in no way supports your contention that: I wonder why you even referecne this study since it is not mentioned in the article at all. I do not believe you even referenced this study in your intitial post. 3) the citation of the original data source: ……….according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a 23-year project that compares poverty and income data from 31 industrial nations. While interesting this citation in no way supports your contention that: The citation itself is odd because you clearly wrote that the striking item was contained in the article itself not hidden in the backup documentation Time to webcrawl the right-winged blogs for another important social commentary comparable to what started this thread. No more Again with the insults.

Archy - Loosen your panties! Fact don't matter to these boys!

HUH?!?!?! Jim you read an article you found interesting and posted the following: On your recomendation I read the article and find that one of the facts you found "striking" does not actually appear in the article. Now you question my reading comprehension? Truly amazing. Maybe if you raise the level of insult and vitriol just a bit more you might convince me 2+2=5. Oh Damn there is that attribution problem again....

Sure buddy - here you go. I thought you lost interest. "Over the past two decades, America has had the highest or near-highest poverty rates for children, individual adults, and families among 31 developing countries, according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a 23-year project that compares poverty and income data from 31 industrial nations. No mention of Russia or Mexico or top three "With the exception of Mexico and Russia, the U.S. devotes the smallest portion of its gross domestic product to federal anti-poverty programs, and those programs are among the least effective at reducing poverty, the study found. Again, only Russia and Mexico do worse jobs." The confusing part! Sorry for the thread drift, now back to the weighty subject of Legos. Jim - Here is what I was questioning: Link to your original post Link to me questioning you I was wondering if you realized that the portion of a given country's gross domestic product devoted to anti-poverty programs, and the efficacy of those programs is not the same as a country's poverty rate. I guess I just found out.

Damn I forgot the attribution! Forwaker helpppp....

Ah Forwaker, if only I was claiming that as my own. I am the link-o-nator after all. After all the cut and pasting I missed that one. An obvious clue was no spelling errors. I am glad you consider such teaching wrong however I also doubnt that you really thought I was making an effort to claim that as my writing. Anyone else notice a pattern - The two "liberal" sprayers on this thread both post attacks against a person..... Dear Mr. Hypersensitive. Perhaps you need an ego enema. I doubt very much the author of the piece you cut-and-pasted cares that you got 2-out-of-3 links correct. Considering the person who wrote it is also a lawyer, you might want to think about that. By providing a proper reference for your little brain fart, I perhaps covered your ass for you. You should be thanking me, you pustulant ingrate. The lady doth protest too much.....

Now Jim are my panties really in a bunch? I didn't even comment other than the topic title. The thrid liberal guy and yet another personal attack ....a pattern is forming. By the way still waiting for your reply regarding the page three article in the Seattle Times.

Ah Forwaker, if only I was claiming that as my own. I am the link-o-nator after all. After all the cut and pasting I missed that one. An obvious clue was no spelling errors. I am glad you consider such teaching wrong however I also doubnt that you really thought I was making an effort to claim that as my writing. Anyone else notice a pattern - The two "liberal" sprayers on this thread both post attacks against a person.....

WOW I heard you are a successful debater and that you are devastating in face to face debates not just online. Now just where have I heard that……oh yea you!

Note: This is a daycare/aftercare facility The students had been building an elaborate "Legotown," but it was accidentally demolished. The teachers decided its destruction was an opportunity to explore "the inequities of private ownership." According to the teachers, "Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation." The children were allegedly incorporating into Legotown "their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys." These assumptions "mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society -- a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive." They claimed as their role shaping the children's "social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity ... from a perspective of social justice." So they first explored with the children the issue of ownership. Not all of the students shared the teachers' anathema to private property ownership. "If I buy it, I own it," one child is quoted saying. The teachers then explored with the students concepts of fairness, equity, power, and other issues over a period of several months. At the end of that time, Legos returned to the classroom after the children agreed to several guiding principles framed by the teachers, including that "All structures are public structures" and "All structures will be standard sizes." The teachers quote the children: "A house is good because it is a community house." "We should have equal houses. They should be standard sizes." "It's important to have the same amount of power as other people over your building." I bet Jim loves this school! A deep and heavy journal

Where's the revolution when you need it? Moan There's even an interactive feature (if you click on "experience" in the upper left corner) that allows you to drag two pills across the screen and then watch a video of Ricci collapsing. Now she's yours for the violating!

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I have been wondering what's been taking all your time....

This year singles night will be when Chicago is in town. Girl row.....boy row..... There's nothing better than a baseball girl!

At the Safe you are outside!

Max your anal sphincter seems to be cutting off the flow of oxygen to your brain. Don’t worry - it’s nothing a 7th inning stretch can’t remedy. Play Ball!

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