Peter_Puget

Index has a bunch of multi-pitch sport routes and I am sure Squamish must have a bunch too (besides the Black Dike that is ). Dru start spraying!

Off - It appeaers that sport climbings givs some people that very ability. Reference the Alpine sport thread where Dwayner claims the mere mention of alpine sport climbing makes him sick!!!!

Here is a link:http://www.camp4.com/rock.php?newsid=202 I do note that projecting isn't included. Fine Dr, is this term derived from psychoanalysis?

Off - You're right but I love it! Check out this site for comparison: http://speedclimbing.com/ Boring! And I do love his favorite things lists! PP

Dwayner - Remember my motto! "If I can't throw a rock to the base from my car I aint climbing it!" So I'll have to take your word for the Rainier thing. PP

It's not my thing either Off but if you are climbing the Nose in a just a few short hours the North Ridge of Stuart isn't much work at all!!!!! But as a practical matter being a weekend warrior being able to do a big wall and be home in time for Sunday supper does have its advantages. Damn I still have a long ways to go beofre I loose this Chronic Gumby Status. Jon can't I have my own special designation? I suggest "Weekend Warrior"

See the site has something for everyone!!!!

Now Erik why would you laugh at somebody elses thing? The site doesn't ridicule anyone like you just did. Be nice! Besides maybe these guys are trainging for the wild enchainments and continuous pushes. Look at the times for El Cap routes - pretty amazing. If I admit to my time on the Horse Chute route (one of my first big walls) and then compared it to the record I just think amazing! A bit of trivia: the Steve Gerberding who has a alot of fast times is a local boy! Son of the former president of the UW.

http://www.speedclimb.com/northwest.htm

GO COUGS! [ 08-05-2002, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: poptart ]

yo, RedDump. I am sick and tired of you pukin' me and my brothers and sisters on the Big R. You left many of my family on the sides of the rocks by camp Hazard... SUCKER....

512dude - Are you're out trolling!

Swiss Orange Chip of course!

The recent thread about the Freeway Gun Club route brought to my mind the seemingly increasing "Best route" phenomenon. It seems that with increasing frequency the word "best" is used to describe a route. For example in Exit 32 a route is described as the best crack in WA. The Tieton guide calls Orange Sunshine one of the best finger cracks in WA. Smoot calls the Freeway route one of the best slabs in WA. The Index guide calls the Jap. Gardens/10% link up possibly the best crag route in WA. I can't recall anything like this in the Leavenworth guide so maybe Viktor is immune. Certainly the Squamish guide is a hotbed of hyperbole. So my question is what qualifies one to make a best route statement and are these guys just marketing or are they correct. By the way I have climbed all these route (except for the Freeway) and have my own opinions. Should we set up an ongoing poll of best routes by type here on CC.com? PP

Sometime ago I started a thread in praise of that Scott'erx fellow. Since then I have continued to admire his energy and ability to get out and climb. Others saw fit to mock his Mt. Si report on the WTA site when he showed concern over a possible cougar lurking for the attack. Today I read a report of a 61 year old BC man fighing off and killing an attacking cougar with a pocket knife. Dru, please supply details! [ 08-04-2002, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

The Cpt. has the spirit of the spray warrior. Forget it Trask. The Cpt. is King! 'till we drink again.

Caveman rules!!!

Caveman makes me smile.

I am in the minority but I say consider the old style friends. The are cheap and robust enough to last the rest of your climbing days. If you can get to MEC you can get them plenty cheap. In the smaller sizes tho the flexible cam does come in handy more often than the larger sizes.

I agree with David W that a wide range of opinions and participants in the discussion can only improve the quality of the debate. I say address the argument not the resume! PP

Peter[/qb] Peter, that sounds like some of my B.S. I know but I couldn't resist poking fun. But thanks for adding the following two points. After making my post I neglected to mention these closley related factors. "if the quality of the pitch warrants the attention of many climbers" "is the line going to be of such quality that a bolt seems worth it?" Unlike you I do not believe that a sample of the climbing population should be queried. The difficulty of obtaining a proper sample aside, putting in a bolt doesn't seem such a difficult a decsion. If constructive criticsim and firendly feedback is given as just part of the general enviroment I believe that most people would make the right choice. Those who are renagades will always be a problem. Of course Pope and I also agree that top ropes can be groovy too. PP

Off- Isn't "chicken" in the phrase "chicken bolt" redundent? Oh and be careful Mr. Anderson hates it when his careful topologies are critiqued. Peter

For the record, my thread on bolting wasn't a troll either. I wanted to know how the gang felt about bolting that was perhaps thoughtfully executed. Now I know that they really don't care, which is a good thing. It's hard to stay dry around here sometimes, what with all of the spray.

Now where does this anger come from? Richard makes a simple post and gets slammed. A simple PM will get you the name of my therapist she worked wonders for Dwayner and me.

I read up all winter (Samuel, Delwen "Investigation of Ancient Egyptian Baking and Brewing Methods by Correlative Microscopy" Science July 1996, v273, n5274, pg. 488) and will be waiting at the finish line with the results - so Go Dwayner Go!. Petey [ 07-24-2002, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]