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Nels CLine will be playing for free at the West Seattle Jazz Fest on 9/14 not with his own band tho. John Mclaughlin will be at the Moore on 9/25 with Remember Shakti. PP

OW - I think these guys are all too young.

Anyone ever use the drop down trick to avoid a 2 factor fall on the belay?

..that they are one screwed up people! Poll results PP

Here's a former Wa resident: Here is the caption: CP Little at work on his route, "Suzanne Summers", a yet undone project at Dry Canyon. The route traverses about 50' to the lip of the cave, then follows the headwall for another 50' or so. CP later broke both feet against that lip during an all-out redpoint attempt on what will likely be one of Southern Arizona's hardest routes PP

LOL AS much as I hate to write this in the open, I have been sport climbing entirley too much. Whenever I day dream about climbing it is never sportclimbing! I need to wear a rack and wrestle an OW. Win or lose a memory is certain! PP

Ok I lied. Didn’t even make it to Squish. Go pushed into going climbing off hwy two east of Index but west of Leavenworth. I wanted to try that beast in Squamish!

RumR - Spill the details. I climbed Scimitar and misc stuff.

What did eveyone do up in Squamish? PP

Squamish for this boy!

For once and I really mean once Dru is right! There are several Squamish websites and Gripped even has a Rock Forum! Need I say more! Tim! Jon! All of Washington is depending on you! Peter “I am a 5.12 Climber at Squamish” Puget

I hate sounding like a broken record but I believe the reason that no good rock climbers live in Washington is simply due to the lack of a ROCK CLIMBING FORUM in which to discuss their amazing feats! PP

Here is a link to some pics! PP

Interesting Interview - LOUNGANI: The effects of some economic policies are better understood thanks to your academic contributions. You did path-breaking work on whether capital or labor bears the burden of the corporate income tax. HARBERGER: There are interesting developments to report on that front. In the closed-economy case that I analyzed in the 1960s, the natural result is that capital bears the burden of the tax and can more easily bear the full burden. But my students and I have now analyzed the open-economy case, which is more applicable to today’s global economy. The result in this case is that labor bears the burden and can more easily bear the full burden. LOUNGANI: That’s quite a flip.Why does it happen? HARBERGER: Think of the so-called “tradable goods” sector of an open economy, the sector that produces goods that are traded on a world market. The prices of these goods are determined in the world market. And, with an open economy, the rate of return to capital is largely determined in the world market, because capital can flow from country to country in search of the highest return. Now the government gets in there and tries to impose a corporation tax on capital.Well, who bears the burden? Capital can move across national boundaries to try to escape the tax. So it’s labor, the factor of production that can’t easily escape national boundaries, that ends up bearing the burden of the tax PP

Trask - That reminds me today while walking thru Freeqway Park I noticed the cameras positioned in several areas and realized I had unwittingly been the star of a porn film. Dru - These guys have actually pulled off the 1,000,000 per minute rate that is freaking amazing. PP

That's 16,666.67 rounds per second!

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Fox - One thing came to mind when reviewing your list. How can the number of stiff areas be twice the number of "about right" areas? What is also odd is that the areas in the stiff section are for the most part areas with a long history. Ratings are simply funky for example someone recently posted beta about how the first pitch of Liberty Crack has a couple of 11a moves on it. I thought was middle 5.10. PP

Go to high school YP, Ole Petey never once called ole dwayner a dinosaur. But what is most interesting is the manner in which both you and Pope try to gain authority for your arguments by bringing in an outside unrelated fact or pseudo fact. For example, look at Pope seven langauges comment and so on. Or your very own "he was wearing EBs while you were still in diapers". Both of course are non-responsive to the debate. I by the way can care less about whether dwayner can climb .13 or not because it has no bearing on my position. I do think that .13 is within many climbers ability. As far as keeping on topic I would disagree completely and use it as another reason why shools aint what they use to be! PP

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Pope - First of all, don't even think you can speak for my motivations. Second, I simply relate my experience which is actually climbing sport routes at various locations with Dick. One of those locations was even your favorite place Vantage. PP

FS - Oddly most of the people I know that climbed in the highest grades (13c -14a) either had full time jobs, were in med school and were married when they climbed at this level. I can think of three of them in the 14 category right now. PP

Now just when did I say anything about placing bolts with Dick. At least try to be more responsive to what was actually said. I am glad your one evening with Dick was so memorable. See you do have a thing for the climbing legends of Washington! I thought you did protest too much. PP I hate injecting comments like this but Pope's response is so all over the place that I will. After reminding us that you and Richard are practically best friends, you then stated that his only complaints about sport climbs are directed toward those which do not end on ledges. Then you informed us that Richard has parallel disapproval of crack routes that end similarly. Did I read correctly? Well kind of here is what I actually said: "Pope's comments are as usual full of vitriol and goofiness. Why he quotes Dick I am not sure but I can say that I have spent many hours bouldering and climbing sport routes with Dick. His main whine about sport routes is that many end in space rather than at a ledge/stance. To him this is a bogus route. The same would hold true to a crack which ended at a blank section." I wrote we went sport climbing and your characterizing this as "reminding us that we are best of friends" is simply not true. This alone makes your restatement inaacurate. But a greater inacuracy come from this coment of yours: "you then stated that his only complaints about sport climbs are directed toward those which do not end on ledges." WHat I actually said was:"His main whine about sport routes is that many end in space rather than at a ledge/stance." There is a distinct difference. If I was the kind to view humans negatively I would think such errors were made with malice but since I do not I will assume it was an honest mistake. snipped away some BS here Anyway beside misrepresenting what I wrote your post is entirely consistant with what I said. Dick and I have climbed many sport routes. To find over engineered and squeezed in routes not as attractive as those less engineered and spread out is I would think a fairly common reaction and does not equate with hating all sport routes. Another thing that was memorable was when Richard kept returning to our camp fire night after night, stating that we were the most entertaining group in Hidden Valley. you're so precious Pope PP

Now just when did I say anything about placing bolts with Dick. At least try to be more responsive to what was actually said. I am glad your one evening with Dick was so memorable. See you do have a thing for the climbing legends of Washington! I thought you did protest too much. PP

I have thought about your posts for years from a variety of perspectives, and frankly, I haven't heard any new viewpoints that would come even close to sway my basic conviction which is (and I say this sadly and I mean that most seriously) the primary point of any of your diatribes is a desire to put the other down! Any argument comes second. PP