Peter_Puget

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If I ingnore the essential meaness that is shown in all your posts, I agree!

Quick Link As far as unemployment: would you finfd it better to be unemployed ina shrinking or stagnant enviroment? Besides unemploymenty isn't so bad now and will get better.

Me!!! But it wasn't really an important piece just playing around after reading some article by Ken Nichols

J-B You left your newspaper at the coffee shop. J_B's Paper Oh yea, again I am sorry about the news that the economy grew at a 7.2% rate last quarter. Buck up I am sure a depression is right around the corner. PP

I have been busy at work and come back to find that I have lost interest in this thread but in response to JK’s question, I was starting to develop some thoughts relative to Dryads question of how risky behavior is received amongst climbers. The guys I mentioned did exhibit reckless behavior. I would also agree that soloing is not always as risky as perceived - Bachar while soloing a 5.9 slab in the Meadows is probably less likely to be involved in an accident than some party of newbies climbing Hermaphrodite Flake.

News Break : Moore is a capitalist millionaire, getting rich off left-wing suckers. Moore recently touched down in California as part of his national book tour. He's traveling in style -- in a private jet provided by Time Warner, and in SUVs courtesy of his publisher, Warner Books. The company also threw in some bodyguards -- as we know from his movies, America is a pretty darn dangerous place. For his part, Moore sees no contradiction between his private life and his public image, suggesting that the only reason he's feeding at the corporate trough is because it's there. "I would never pay for this,'' Moore told the Los Angeles Times, adding that the irony is not lost on him. When you make your living bashing malicious corporate CEOs, it's best not to remind people that you're using giant media companies to carry your message.

she's just one of Dru's avatars? Here's the solution. Gender tester

JK - I was speaking of two indiviuals who over the years have recieved much "press" exposure. Their respective behaviors were definately higher risk than average solo climbers. The press and word of mouth talk about these climbers was for the most part quite adulatory.

\Matt what a surprise! ....and the rubbers that you keep in your left front pocket.... ...it's not made by great men.... ah memories

Gong?!?!?! you've gone too far next you'll be putting up Soft Machine records.

My Man Alpinek great album! Miss Shapiro Lagrima (Sp) TNK! Live Sombre Reptiles. BOF suffers from lack of Frippness tho Good call

Only if they are straight shooters!

CBS you write with such certainty!

Once Gore starts operating his cable news network he can take care of himself.

"What a phony! What a bunch of crap this Clark boom is. Clark reminds me of Keir Dullea in "2001: A Space Odyssey" -- a blank, vacant expression, detached and affectless. There's something sexually neutered about Dullea in that film -- a physical passivity necessitated by cramped space travel -- that I also find in Clark. And the astronaut Dullea plays is sometimes indistinguishable from the crazed computer, HAL -- which I find in Clark's smug, computerized vocal delivery... Doesn't anyone know how to "read" TV? The guy's an android! He gives me the creeps. And don't they realize how short he is? He's a slick, boudoir, salon military type who rubbed plenty of colleagues the wrong way. Clark is not a natural man's man. And he's no Eisenhower, who was a genial, charismatic leader with a genius for collaboration and organization." Salon Link PP

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer deliberately mangling a quote from Congressman George Nethercutt. He'd just returned from a tour of Iraq and, like so many others, reported a much more optimistic scenario than many in the media have been reporting. He gave a talk in which he said, "So the story is better than we might be led to believe – I'm – just – indicting the news people – but it's a bigger and better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day which, which, heaven forbid, is awful." The Seattle P-I chopped off the quote so that it said in its subhead: "It's a better ... story than losing a couple of soldiers every day." They added in their own words: "He added that he did not want any more soldiers to be killed." But that is not an accurate rendition of the full quote. It's a device to protect themselves in what is clearly a hit-job. Nethercutt complained, "I requested that the Post-Intelligencer correct the record. They refused. And they even refused to at least run my full quote. But the P-I didn't stop there. They then wrote an editorial condemning me, repeated the quote they had deliberately distorted, and put my 'quote' next to the name of one of our fallen soldiers. To do so was completely heartless." But not unexpected. Here's how the Seattle P-I responded : "It's a better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day," the would-be senator gaffed at a gathering Monday. The family of Pfc. Kerry Scott of Concrete, who buried their young hero Tuesday, likely would not share Nethercutt's news judgment. Charming, huh? What they implied with their first story is now explicit in their editorial: that Nethercutt doesn't give a damn about the military casualties that have taken place. And once the quote is in the database, you can't escape it. Guess what? Maureen Dowd ran with it! Dowd's insinuation is particularly unfair. She wrote: On Monday, Representative George Nethercutt Jr., a Republican from Washington State who visited Iraq, chimed in to help the White House: 'The story of what we've done in the postwar period is remarkable. It is a better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day.' The congressman puts the casual back in casualty. Well, he would have put the casual back in casualty if he hadn't added, "which, which, heaven forbid, is awful." Doesn't that elision completely undermine Dowd's cheap shot? Dowd is not personally guilty of deliberately distorting the quote; the Seattle P-I is. But it behooves Dowd and the NYT to run a correction exonerating Nethercutt from the charge of insensitivity to the troops. I guess the PI figures never let up today they ran this: Cartoon Thanks to Andrew Sullivan for this. PP

Mirkwood Forest although it appears to have been cleaned up.

Over the years I have had many friends die while climbing. Mostly in the moutains but several rock climbing as well. One of my earliest memories multipitch climbing was seeing blood stains at the base of a wall where someone died. As a youngster the blood was merely added a sense of spice to the game. Now that I am older I find it much easier to empathize with the friends and family of an accident victim and view climbing as an essentially empty activity. If someone really thinks that a climbing success is worth a significant risk my first impulse to feel sadness at how shallow their view of their own life is and how little potential they can see in the future. A while ago a friend of mine climbed a bit with a climber well known for climbing solo in Colorado, I went there for a visit and came away convinced that his behavior was the result of something close to what would otherwise be construed as a mental health problem. The climber later died while soling. A climber from my hometown in CA was well known for his soloing epics suffered from manic depression disorder and later committed suicide. As a young teen I remember being very impressed by him. To the extent the climbing “community” exalted these people it acted poorly. Gotta work will finish these thoughts later.... Pp

I've actually done this before. I took some climbing gear camping gear and some paperwork and a few photo albums. PP

Taiwan isn't so fun. Not that it's bad just not my idea of a fun vacation this time of year. Good climbing around HK tho. We'd have to climb before I'd make such an offer. What if qwe ended up to be incompatible? PP

Just bringing it up so Jim and J_B won't miss it. PP

Wanna go on a vacation? PP

This in a rag J_B would probably like: Newtopia: As a resident of Los Angeles, how do you feel about the California recall election? Mat: Fuck yeah. It is funny how the spin doctors tried to make what was democracy in action seem reactionary because it did not conform to their narrow ideals. Too many Democrats are shrill, hopeless, undersexed squares. It will be funny if the Republicans are hip all of a sudden and the left is suddenly me, you and our high school English teachers lecturing about the triumph of the 60s. That is what is happening here, the Republicans are hijacking culture. And the Democrats are a bunch of squares in suits saying tsk-tsk-tsk. It is funny. I lost any hope in politics after what Clinton did to Jerry Brown in the 1992 primaries. The first issue of Coagula was a pamphleteering plea to elect Jerry Brown. Clinton was a hopeless square and now that is coming home to roost. The true intellects and creative forces in the Democratic party have been marginalized in favor of Centrist conformists, and now the Republicans are saying "Hey let's party!" and the true strengths of the Democrats are seen as fringe, risky strategies by the Democratic leaders, and the Republicans seem like visionaries, but a monkey in a fez would seem like a leader and visionary standing next to Bustamante or Davis! PP

They were frst called that by the one and only Jeff Smoot in what was one of the best equiment reviews ever in Rock & Ice. Now just what was the prize? PP