Peter_Puget

I read this comment regarding Bush's new immigrant proposal: [/i]To all this add the following: no longer will de facto guest workers be recorded, by Census, BLS, and others, as if analytically/economically identical to native-born citizens or formally-legal immigrants. And as this happens the entire indictment -- Dickensian poverty, intergenerational stagnation, and intolerable disparities between super rich and super poor -- will shatter and come crashing down on The Nation magazine, Paul Krugman, and lots of startled others.[/i] PP

Please Will; stop the insanity! PP

Ah Will "minor man" Strickland - Check out the stats at: Link Or check out the attache graph. PP

Actually the CCR with Born on A Bayou was a great trip tape too!

The first three Talking Heads albums made the best tapes for climbing trip drives. I was reminded of this looking at my album collection the other day. –thinking “Ah I ought to go buy these CDs” My question is how do the CDs sound? Anyone ever compare the sound between these LP and CDs? In other word should I buy or wait for them to be remastered? PP

Seems pretty minor. I wonder what their true dimensions are as they appear quite different upon visual inspection. I gave a ton of the old rawl 5/16" away to friend going on a trip and a coupel years ago bought 50 of the Fixe bolts. Haven't used them because of their rep. I have five old 5/16 left and 10 5.10 5/16 bits. Any offers?

The Fixe 5/16" are really 8mm. I haven't calculated the difference but that may be an issue -esp. if you have resharpened your bit several times. Also , the claim that if you have to ask you shouldn't is bogus. I learned that Petzl drill holders suck from reading this very thread. I was thinking of buying one since bits are hard to get for the old style holders. Now I won't. PP

like the Guardian? Check out this link. PP

He's too busy training to send that 5.13, he's got no time to post Speaking of Dwayner....I saw him cranking cracks in the Wonderland of Rocks in J.T. about a month ago. Not too shabby! I asked about him being banned and he didn't have much to say about it. He did ask me to post a message to his few buddies who participate in cc.com. Here it is: "sauna sausage" (whatever that means.) P.S. Hey willy-boy. nice way of judging people you don't know. enjoy your yucks, "master alpinist". Wow Dwayner you're posting up a storm today! PP

I just spent a few minutes looking over the new WA Ice Guide. For the first time I saw the ratings of some climbs I did in the 80s. One of the easiest rate routes is in my memory way harder than all of the more difficult rated routes. It seems to me that 80% of the climbers must be in the WI4/5 range? Is that right? It also seems as that ratings don't mean much ice climbing. So the question is: When you are on a trip how do you decide what you can climb? Is it mostly current ice conditions? Availability of Protection? How do ratings play into it all? I have no interest in ice climbing but the guide almost enticed me into buying some new tools! It looks really nice! PP

A good read.

Cj - Condescension? How so was i more condescending than you. In addition your were in error. I would just like to point out that I already brought up the volotility of both wealth and AGI measurements in terms of membership. I would now like to add that during 2000 the top 400 suffered a decline in assets of approximately 6%. In each of the three previous years they had increases. I also believe that since many of these top 400 gave in excess of the ceiling it should be obvious that there is more to work here than tax incentives. Do you give to your "inherent" income? PP

Communism and Socialism are the darlings of idiots. Sorry my graemlin usage was off. Cheers, PP

PP- A quick survey of the Forbes 400 would show it's primarily related to wealth - in particular, stock market wealth. But then, I trust you to not dig to deep. Earth to cj! You are correct about the Forbes 400; however, the NYT article is not referring to those media darlings. I would ask you to dig deeper. Cheers, PP

Oh yea Communism is just wrong

D Quote: Considering that we all need to build a certain amount of wealth to provide economic stability throughout our lives, the less wealthly need to focus on their own financial security before they can make significant charitable contributions. As a result you would expect the wealthy to be able to share a much greater portion of their wealth than the average American. But..they don't as you have so nicely brought to our attention. I think he was suggesting that they weren't paying their fair share but regardless my intent in posting was to get someone to say it so I could call all the low life climbers leaches. I am not sure why you think I think anything should be paid to the state. I do believe that if you think the rich have some "fair share" that they owe to anyone/thing that it is hard not to argue that the underachievers owe to their potential as well. Wow! Will What can I say except you missed the point with your Mexican roofer comment. PP

Chuck – I thing your analysis is wrong for the following reason: A lower % of AGI taxpayers do not reach their charitable contribution ceiling than higher AGI taxpayers. Darren – I did not contact the author but I have reviewed his source of data and despite the confusing nomenclature the top 400 are in fact related to AGI not wealth. I invite you to check for yourself. As a sidebar I would also like to comment that these “top” 400 “whatevers” are not a static group but that membership is extremely fluid in both the numbers joining and leaving the group. You suggest that the rich aren’t paying their fair share. Ok let’s assume I agree. If someone makes a lot of money and they then have the obligation to share the wealth, I do not a see how people who for selfish reasons (like spending the summer climbing) choose to reduce their income/wealth can avoid a similar obligation at the assumed income/wealth levels they have voluntarily chosen not to achieve. Wow that’s a bad sentence that can be reduced to “Hey you are all blood sucking leaches.” PP

lol i knew that was coming. I think I printed it out and put it in my "binder' Ill try to find it tonight.

This strategy alon ewasnt going to result in hypertophy but better enable your body to respond to other excercises whose goal was to induce hypertrophy.

Rumr - Some weight lifters train this way by doing many reps of a particular excercise. By many I mean 100 plus reps. Didnt you send me a link once about the 100 rep to bigger muscles? Maybe it was on the bodyresults page. PP

Hey Will “I gotme an equivalent of a minor in economics from a prestigious university” Strickland – You crack me up. Granted the terminology used was a bit ambiguous but given that I was referencing IRS data it should be obvious that the top 400 was a reference to AGI not wealth. I thought about commenting on this earlier but didn’t. Household wealth and AGI are in fact two different measurements. Here is an example to illustrate the difference simply: My parents have net wealth many times my household yet my households AGI was significantly higher than theirs. Why? One contributing factor is that my parents have a large landholdings in California. One that they get multi million dollar offers on quite frequently. This counts as wealth but not income. Anyway to mistake wealth for AGI is simply an error. An error similar I suppose to confusing weight with mass. From what I can gather the wealth of the 400 top AGI taxpayers is nowhere close to what Darren is claiming the average wealth of the Forbes 400. Contributions bye the AGI top 400 as a % of total Contributions is as follows: ’97 – 2%,’98 – 3%, ’99 – 3%, ’00 – 7%. Remember that the return contribution totals understate actual giving. Cheers! Pp NB - Why don't you check out the top 400 of AGI v total AGI. You might find that an interesting number.

1 Are you sure of your mean asset number 2 I would note that irs data was used for gifting this understates actual gifting and excludes foundations and such that are no longer part of someones wealth.

Mr E - Cool. I am confused? Do you have drawings set up and ready to go or not? If not I will have them in a day or two so it is not a problem. The thread is locked only to keep the spray out and to keep it as a resource for the templates. PP

Attachment is "Wall" 14.

Drawing from MisterE.