Lambone

Dr. Dwayner, Ok, fine. I see where you are coming from. You still don't want to accept that being nice to people (in this case climbers), is the best way to gain their respect. You may hate sport climbers, but they are going to hate you back as long as you keep it up. It's ok, I know it is sometimes difficult for old people to open up to new ideas, but if you really want to see a change you will have to put one foot forward also. People will argue for and against bolts, same as abortion, till the day we both die. What about this then. Why is that you scoff at boulderers. They do not scar the rock, other than chalk. They do no permenent damage. Their form of climbing is pure. Purer than that of one Trad climber who uses a rope, etc. Why must you disgrace their passion? What makes their passion so different from yours? Why not show prospective sport climbers where the bouldering is, if it will keep them from clipping bolts. What is really so bad about a boulder tour of Leavenworth. Andy is a nice guy. He likes to help people out, he's voulenteering his time. Why is that lame? Is it because he wants to "clue" people in? Are you one of those Trad clowns that thinks everything should be kept a secret? Shh, don't tell anyone about it, "not in my back yard!" Think back to your previous remarks. Why do you mock boulderers? I don't get your motivation? I do not consider myself a real boulderer, because I am not passionet about it. But my freinds are. They are good people, and you have insulted them, more than once. In turn you have offended me, and done a disservice to the community. Why should I not stand up for them, and our beliefs. Just cause your old school doesn't mean you are allways right. Tell me O great one. Sit me down on your lap once more. Justify your love for spray! P.S.- pope can suck it! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-31-2001).]

Sorry Dwayner, my hero's aint from around here. Nice tribute though. Bring on more big Lou whoever his face.

Ok, fair enough. But remember, I never said I was for or against placing bolts. I'm keeping my mouth shut about that one. I clip 'um but I don't drill 'um. And I enjoy it, cause they enable me to experience all kinds of rock. Don't knock my values. I'm talking about a much bigger picture here.

For anyone interested there are a few spots left for the FREE self rescue clinic at the Rockfest in Leavenworth. This is more than a promotion, this is usefull knowledge, for Free! You will learn and practice systems that will enable a smooth and effecient (if there is such a thing)escape off a multipitch climb. We will also go over some systems that are usefull in crevase rescue such as Z- pulley systems and such. But, the clinic will focus on rock rescue basics. Well do what we can in three hours or so. Please feel free to post any questions. Or spray away, we'll make more. Leave your cell phone in the car! Learn how to get off a route on your own. Please register with Feathered Friends. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-31-2001).]

[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: lambone ]

Dwayner and Pope, Hey Pops, it sounds like you have been climbing since before I was born, and for that I give you props (rent "Boys in the Hood" or something). My whole beef with you in the first place was about your slander of other climbers. You are the one who needs to learn to accept the reality of this day and age. Lets say I was one pitch up on you on some long route. I'll give you your space anytime of the day. Hell I'd even let an old dog like you pass me if you were on my tail. But start making fun of me cause I have some quickdraws on my harness and I'll piss on your head. Your comments about the rock fest pissed me off. And I think they would piss off any boulderer as well. Do you think that attitude is going to earn the respect from the youth? I know people who want to retro-bolt run out leads just to spite people with attitudes like yours. When I see an old timer at the crag, I don't think WOW cool, I bet I could learn something from that guy. I think shit I better not talk to him cause he doesn't want me here. The "Trad Klans" "not in my backyard" attitude has got to go. It is as outdated as racism. This is the time of a new generation, you're old school. You're history. Rather than be negative and slander new climbers, why don't you try and do something positive with your experience. Open yourself up and show people why you wan't to preserve the roots of rock climbing. That is why I want to contribute to rock fest; To do what I can to pass on my knowledge to people less experienced than I. I want to show people how to get off a route in an emergency without using their cell phones. Sure I'd rather be climbing, but I enjoy teaching if it benefits the climbing community, even in a small way. The Trad climbing community (at least you guys) are unwelcoming and snobish. You do nothing to benefit the cause of traditional climbing (the roots). You intimidate people to boost your own ego. And scare others away. The irony is that your roots are going to be buried with you. Because you are to "tough" to share them. P.S. I'd like to see Donna top step.

P.S. Special Ed is the only one who posted on this thread who knows what the hell he is talking about. Blodgett is the bomb. Montana makes Washington look like a baby's butt. Glacier, The Beartooths, Blodgett. Montana rocks. Although Wyoming is pretty cool too. The Winds baby...

Pope, you have got to be kidding me, are you really that full of yourself. If you have such an important itinerary, what the hell are you wasting your time on this web site for? I do 'cause it makes me laugh. People like you are a joke! What values? Making fun of people who like to do something that you don't agree with. Are those your valuble traits? Typical Trad climber values are bullshit ego trips. I can say this because I've been there. I was a youngster with a shiny rack of nuts and hexs long ago. I don't find any value in knocking other climbers who are weaker or more afraid than us. Oooooh, you think your a hard man cause you climbed Outerspace in the rain... Ohhh you run out the rope sooooo far. Your sooooo tough. Your not afraid of anything! You don't need no stinking bolts! Yeah, I bet Paul Boving wasn't afraid of Thin Fingers, until he slipped.... You will slip one day too, everyone does. The day I come looking for your help is the day I quit climbing.

For all you guys who think I am a total loser. First, I can't beleive you took me seriously. Second, your Trad Klan can go to hell. Third, to give you a little background: I was born the same month Paul fell off Thin Fingers. I led my first climb, on Trad gear when I was thirteen. That was 10 years ago. I climbed my first grade four in the Valley when I was sixteen. I didn't really start sport climbing until I came to Washington two years ago. I'm not the best, in fact I am mearly mediocere. But I sure as hell ain't no sport weenie. And even if I was, who cares, sport weenies can be great. I like sport climbing, I like bouldering, I like trad, and Alpine. I like the Himilayas, and I love Yosemite. I am even begining to like Washington. My point is that I love all aspects of climbing, except the old school Trad bastards who think they are gods gift to the rock. I could go off for hours.... I was mocking that crowd, and Dwayner. Because he thinks he has sooooo much to teach me. I'd like to go climbing with him sometime to find out who is the one that needs a schooling. Peace-have fun out there, the weather is good, it's summer again! See you on the rock. Smile.... -matt

I like that. It would add to the silliness of the washington guide books. But you better run it past the president of the trad klan comision. On Second thought, what washington guide books??? There all out of print.

I don't care who did it. I just want to know if he is still in the Cascade Trad Klan.

OOOOH scary. Oh, chill out man. I'm just poking fun. Plus I'm not at work, so it won't do you any good to go over there. Unless you want to train. Are you the guy who walked in and killed all those people at work last year? All you guys can dish out so much crap, but if someone gets on your case all of a sudden its a hostile situation! Go smoke a bowl. Don't you know that the FBI red flags any drug related material on the web! Hey, I am glad that someone else thinks Dwayner is a bozo. At least we agree on something. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).]

Who's lame ass picture of some stupid Water Ice 2 is on the home page. It's been on there for like 8 months, and it is a discrace to Washington Ice climbers. I know it's one of your Trad Klan croneys. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't want to be accepted into your stupid gang of stoners anyway. I am going to start my own club! Caveman, if you put the pipe down maybe you'll get more climbing in and lose the beer belly! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).]

Hey, I thought Dwayner was the president of the Trad Klan. You guys are like treasurer and secretary. I wan't to talk to the boss!

Do you guys all listen to Bob Marley on the drive up to Index? Those smooth tunes of Jah Love must get you so stoaked to crank! Freakin' hippies... I cut my dreads off after one got caught in my rappel device in Yosemite. Plus, I perfer to climb on mushrooms.

Do I have to puff beforehand? Cause dope makes me paranoid when I'm trad climbing. Will it be ok to burn down after topping out?

Oh come on ray, we all know why Outerspace is your favorite climb. It's not the hand crack. Is that the Trad Klans secret meeting spot? Plus give me a break I'm from Montana.

P.S. I think Slow children could be upgraded to at least 11b with a sit start off the ledge. But Thin Fingers is defenately only 10c if you DYNO past the crux slab. What does the Guru King Of The Index Trad Klan think? Todd Skiner already worked on Town Crier and said it was a choss heap.

Sorry, but my projects this summer are Thin Fingers and Slow Children. Perfect for me 'cause I am just a slow child with skinny fingers. My question for all the guru Cascade Trad Climbers is this: Can I still call it a red-point if I pre-place all the pro on rappel? I realize that this action will be shuned by the Cascade Trad King Alliance, but will it keep me out of the club? In fact, while we are on the subject, can any of the "masters" give me a list of pre-requsites? I have a longggggg way to go before submitting my application to the Trad klan, so I'd like to get started ASAP. Is it against the code if I wear my helmet, and use my half ropes? The last time I went up to slow children, one of the local Trad Kings gave me the common look of despise. I don't understand? I once lived in Chicago where the Latin Kings used to walk around flashing gang signs. Do the Trad Kings have any tags or hand signals? I'd love to go tag the lower wall, but then I guess I'd just be a poser. Ohhh, I hope someday I will be accepted in the Trad Kings!!!! If not I may just have to move to some other range where all types of climbing are admired and acepted. That paradise must exist. Obviously not here, but somewhere...

Dwayner, Dude give me the beta on your lingo bro! What the hell is a pie-hole? Eh, who cares -I'm over it. Go solo outerspace or somethin before that guy Aaron takes his drill up there, and have fun. It's been real.

Nice story. It scares me that anyone dumb enough to fall off a cliff setting up a toprope can use a bosch.

The best reason: Just to piss Dwayner off alittle more!

Jessssse, who's the one who needs to relax now! Chill out old timer, I was just kidding. Plus, how would I put poop on your door step if I don't even know who you are? All I am saying, is in my experience I have noticed a lack of respect from SOME Euro climbers. Both towards the environment and towards so called "fellow climbers." I don't know how they act over there, but some of them just don't give a shit about how they act over here. "And the guys who steal climbing gear aren't secret agents from the former Soviet Union either." Well actually your close, the last guys who stole my crap were a Spanish team at Camp I on Ama Dablam. They ate my cash of summit food, and took our hardwear to make one last push. Anyway, I don't care about that. It won't be my first trip to Leavenworth, I am looking forward to trying to help some people who want to learn something usefull, and I don't need you to tell me to get out of the gym. Peace dog. This is fun, way better than studying. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

Pope, I haven't lived with my parents since 1994. They prefer not to know exactly what I do in Yosemite. I don't blame 'em. As for shit bags. If they are paper, you can dump them in any porta potty or latrine. Or burn it in a pile in the rocks. If they are plastic, I have allways just tossed them in the garbage. Most people that huck use paper because it floats down. They are being so concious... I once pulled up onto the bivi under The Sheild roof to find a nice surprise tied to the anchor. The party above us sounded German or somethin. I allways use paper and haul it in a pipe. I hope that answers your question. Let me know if you have any better ideas. Maybe next time I'll ship it to Dwayner! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

My vote is for Wild Things. I own both the Ice Sac and Andinista. They are both dope. Light is right! Screw MEC and the internet. Buy Localy! Pro Mountain Sports or The Friends. Jim might give you better service depending on who you talk to at F.F., and how much beer they've had! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]