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let me answer questions with questions... matt why is it that people are spraying on your thread but not on the cascades trivia thread? is it because we like lowell and harry but not you? or is it because your topic is bogus and the other one isn't?or does it have something to do with your attempt to focre a discussion evolving in a natural manner in a direction it does not want to go?

you have to try harder than that matt

your topic is inherently sprayful.... none of this 'serious replies only" BS.... anyway you haven't been climbing long enough to make a serious comparison of before and after cc.com have you? cause it is overwhelmingly "after" with like 5 days "before"? it is hard for me to point to anything cc.com has changed for me. i guess I don't tie the Canadian Death Knot anymore

that's a lot of morris, iain

BLAME THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!!! squid killers

wearing shorts over poly is like wandering around the dihedrals at smith with a rack of hexes and pitons.

the original poster has no unilateral control over whether a thread is "serious" or not. it has to do with the content of the thread. if I start a thread called "Is Jon Gay" even if it is stated by me to be a serious consideration of your homosexual impulses, its a spray thread, and responses to it will be spray, overtly or not. likewise any trolling that attempts to be a serious debate with dwayner or pope about bolts, is a spray thread from the get go. ditto any thread about politics, global warming, Muir Hut, shorts over polypro or Howwitt's cheetah like speed record. No matter if the person who starts any of those threads proclaims "SERIOUS POSTERS ONLY!!! and by the way I disagree with you so we will threaten to ban you!" - which is just a form of trolling anyhow. My problem is not with Mattp for trolling. Trolling is fun. It is with people like Jay_B and offwhite for falling for mattp's troll and behaving as if the thread was somehow serious.

falling into water and drowning can do you in too.

how is threatening to ban dwayner for stating his dissenting opinion constructive i would spray on that thread but there is nothing spray worthy there just respect and good beta

I think the bolt debate should be settled in person not online

I guess my main point is some are supposedly down on spraying and on trolling to the point of deleting germane responses from people they do not like.... yet they continually post these "we must debate the bolting of cracks reasonably and yet I am proposing to ban you" topics which topics are themselves, I am arguing, merely another type of trolling. So why get all high and mighty? I am waiting for my parcel from Harry in the mail I will put it next to the photocopies of Beckeys FedEx folder

i did some rad alpine bouldering after backing off of a route!!! i will post pictures of this ten star V8 highball project* none of us could get the ballz or muscles together to do, when i get my roll of slides finished and scanned weeks from now * Distel it's only 2.5 hours hiking approach!!!!

I am posting this subject in SPRAY to keep it out of the reach of ceretain belligerent moderators who are not moderators in SPRAY section (yet). It seems there are some people on this site who like to pretend they are not sprayers and are "only interested in a logical exchange of ideas in a rational manner". They will berate, ban and censor those who do not agree with them Yet, time and time again the subjects they choose for "logical debate" are the ones no one will ever debate logically due to set positions and emotional invoilvement or just plain intransigence, or worse yet deliberate hoaxing. Cases in point: 1) bolting, be it cracks or not. There will never ever be a non emotional bolting debate on this site due to certain nameless persons and assorted faux trollers. So to start a "reasoned debate" on bolting immediately after threatening to ban certain persons who disagree with you seems a bit odd. 2) speed climbing Dan - is a fake. He does not exist. So all these posts about "Let's get to the bottom of this - Dan, we are waiting for your response" are so much waste of time. Yet he's got his own "specially moderated" forum. Other examples of things there are not going to be the long string of sprayless posts about are Muir Hut, Mountaineers fashion trends, politics and global warming. On the other hand take a look at the "North Cascades trivia" thread for what is an exemplary series of something like 80 posts with no spray. with that???? Could it be because it is an exchange of information about certain peaks in the Cascades, without some moderator attempting to win a pointless debate? That there is no argument involved about "my position is right and your position is wrong"? Just wondering And for those who hate pagetops:

BUT ANYWAY THIS POST IS ABOUT BOULDERING NOT SOME STUPID GRANITE DOMES!!!

i think he deliberately left early to avoid us which bodes poorly for the chances of others to get in there either

the guy who gives out the key left 30 minutes before we got to the office

i will say "rope in bedroom" before anyone else

Examples: Opening beer with nut tool. Digging icy snow out from under car, to make hole and insert jack, with ice axe. Hanging engine block with borrowed rope from partner. Portaledge in tree as summer backyard hammock. Today's example: Bosch Bulldog, 1/4" bit, piton hammer and long ring spike to chisel geodes out of boulder. More?

i just click to turn it off before i post.

I was up in the area on Saturday. For such a big area half the rock resembles a flaky granola bar, and another 33% consists of trees and moss. The remaining 16% is excellent. However it is also a) behind locked gates or b) was wet on Saturday. We backed off 2 pitches up an established sandbag from the 70's due to inability of feet or hands to stick in mud filled cracks. For more excuses send $10.

the perfect blend of old school and new school - the sit start is a standing start with hands at lip of roof a boulder problem that is a thin fingers crack climb, 30 deg. overhanging, only 2 moves to a big jug and beach whale mantle.

for dead friends

do you mean, if you pay $20 Us for something I would pay $20 Cdn for at MEC? no it just means you got ripped off.