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"harder" treated kit like shit. "heller" died on asgaard.

Oh, how quickly his disposition changes. Can you say 180 deg. shift Dwanker? Have you ever considered politics? Mr. sprayfest that is the authority on everything and conveys nothing but negativity is now the poor little sensitive victim. All the other kids are being mean to him and he doesn't know why. Maybe he should sue. He loves everyone and just wants everyone to get along. Maybe you should take your ball and go home now you little teen chat line queen. Sorry, I didn't read your detailed trail of tears. You must have a pretty exciting life though based on the effort you put into it. I did see your little minion spouted off with a response though. That would be the little popester. The little popester called me a pompous ass because he couldn't handle the truth. And then he asks me to send him a copy of my resume so that he can determine if I meet his criteria. That would be called calling the kettle black, eh?(pompous ass). Sorry little guy, I don't maintain a resume and when did you become part of the resume review board? Hopefully, both of you will be able to deal with your insecurity issues and move on with life. Regardless of your little change in personality (to the sensitive little victim), we'll still make fun of you at the cleanup.

Hey Dwanker, Don't bother coming to the Index Cleanup. Nobody wants you there. Seriously, all of the climbers would just make fun of you. Actually, we will make fun of you even if you don't come. There will be climbers participating in the cleanup and your little fantasyland climbing stories won't fly. Maybe you can convince some juvenile's at Spire Rock that you are a climber, but it ain't going to fly with the big boys. How does it feel to be an old, bitter, pathetic "never been"? And what's funny is that you continue to desperately seek acceptance into a tong where you don't belong. When are you going to give it up? You're not fooling anyone. As for your comments regarding the Mountaineers (or any climber that lacks proficiency), I think it hilarious that you regularly comment negatively about them considering it would be very difficult to find a Mountie "Basic Grad." that you could out climb (or out scramble). Give it up! How's your one friend? "When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see Pope on the end of a rope, do you think he's a fool?"

Junior Alpinist, RP are his initials - I think it's Roland Pollard.

Inflammable material planted in my head - it's a suspect device thats left 2000 dead - their solutions are are problems ... I hate - fast cars.... Sorry, Fritz' input brought back lots of memories.

Chuck et al, The whole place was dry and deserted on Saturday. As for the last pitch (5th) of KDR (what I believe Nelson calls Fuddhat even though it veers off right of Fuddhat), too bad you didn't finish it. As Nelson says, the climbing is excellent, but completely different than the previous 4 pitches - spot on! The climbing on that last pitch is much more secure than most of the friction below - if you got that far, you would have no problem with the last pitch. Personally, I thought the crux was down low on one of the featureless sections. However, it may have been mental since it was pretty warm when we were climbing. cheers!

for those that may have been mislead by peter puget's comment about dick cilley being ficticious, pp is either: a)misinformed b)smoking crack c)making a joke

Dan, I have climbed the route on Condor Buttress, so I am speaking from experience. Even though you are friends with those that established it, I'm certain that you will agree with my opinion once you climb it. I appreciate the hard work that all of theses individuals are doing so that I can enjoy the routes. However, I don't believe that because someone is establishing a route, they have the right to re-define existing ethical considerations (yes, it's subjective to a degree). I thought the Condor route was the perfect example of the need for a "wake up" call. My goal was not to reflect negatively on your friends (or anyone). Hopefully, those who continue to establish routes will consider the different views and opinions of our climbing community and make prudent decisions. On another note, Tooth and Claw can't be considered anything close to a "clip up" or a sport route.

I heard about the Concord endeavor also, but have no details other than I was told by someone last year there is a bolt ladder(s?)and I was told that it was put up by someone that established the Condomorphine Addiction route in Leavenworth(often referred to as the "Bolt Spray Buttress" route). Based on what I know about BSB, the Concord endeavor worries me. I'm not anti-bolt or anti-safe climbing, but certain ethical criteria need to be adhered to when placing them.

Tumwater - didn't drive through, but I would bet all of Castle and Midnight are good. Snow in places in the Icicle - road closed (due to snow) at Bridge creek. However, the higher you go on the south facing hillside, the better it gets (gets way more sun up higher this time of year)- plus, there is so much rock, it heats everything up. Snow is melting fast everywhere. I would say that almost everything on the North side of the road is good to go (low and high). Condor is totally dry.

I climbed it yesterday. You could do it in 7 pitches if you like. However, the route is 3 pitches with some change (a short scramble)- call that 4 pitches if you like. We used a 60 m rope, but didn't stretch it, so we probably could have done the same with a 50? Someone with knowledge of the route could climb it quite easily in 3 pitches with a 60 meter rope. The crux sections (.10b) on two of the pitches are short. The route has alot of bolts - on most pitches, clipping half the bolts (or less?) will suffice. Cheers!

Interesting comment about REI/Dave Page - I know for a fact that REI was trying to get Dave Page to move south and be part of (inside) an REI facility - they couldn't have disliked his work too much, eh?

I've had over over 30 resoles from Dave Page Cobbler and never once had a problem. I'm not suprised that people have problems with delam's in general based on the things I've seen them do with their boots. Heat is used to remove the soles, but that doesn't stop people from putting their boots next to the fire to dry them and putting their boots in the oven or taking a hair dryer to them after applying a waterproofing product. I've seen comparable stunts with rock shoes too.