Mazamas give $500 for Smith bolt replacement

[MysticNacho]

Amen CC! I hope you get drafted, Petey! j/k, all in good fun, eh?

[mattp]

I believe we may be making at least minimal progress toward some definition of what are right and wrong places for bolts but this discussion raises another question: who should be performing this maintenance and what should be the process for identifying projects in need of attention? The Access fund has sponsored trail projects and at Vantage and Exit 38 there has been a move toward the creation of "steering committees" who are hoped to be able to oversee the establishment of new routes and new bolt placement at some local areas (Exit 38 has a standing committee and, I believe rules and stuff specific to that area). But the only organized effort to replace old bolts or to remove misplaced ones that I am aware of having taken place in Washington was at Peshastin, several years ago. Other bolt replacement or removal efforts have been undertaken by people who took it upon theirselves to do so for their own personal reasons. Leaving aside their motivations and the results of their efforts, what do you guys think should be the PROCESS for making these decisions, who should be responsible for them, and how do we support the maintenance of the vertical part of the climbing environment that we all cherish so much? My apologies to those who are tired of this topic.

[Rafael_H]

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Originally posted by Peter Puget:

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Right on, "Peter". Amen.

That's what I was leading to. I was thinking of providing a basis for discussing "unjustly" bolted routes and quietly suspecting that there won't be many. Even with Vantage it turned out to be virtually non-issue!

So I'd like to ask everybody if it is OK to drop the bolting issue, even for fun, for a while but keep a vigilant eye, of course. I suggest it is still appropriate to discuss how the routes are bolted because it may help to keep the bolting standard uniform throughout the state. Like at Smith, in my opinion, they've got it quite right and consistent.

Hey, Nuts-y, is there a jar at Redpoint for donations? (Haven't been there this autumn yet). And thank you.

[Dru]

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Originally posted by Peter Puget:

Yikes go on a trip come back and nothing has changed. Same bullshit

Issues regarding replacements of specific bolts aside, I think that in general we should all encourage the replacement of old bolts/fixed gear.

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Why did you come back if it sucks so bad?

I agree with your last statement with the caveat - where it is needed.

 

[Peter_Puget]

I wasn't disagreeing with you at all CC and I do not see where I said anything about LUCKY.