rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Look, we need to stop talking about guns, guns are irrelevant. People are the problem, and they'll still kill just as many people without guns. In fact, more people are killed by cars than guns, so maybe we should get rid of cars first. Morans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Why not get rid of the people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 The logic of trying to identify and sanction everyone who's going to become violent before it happens as opposed to simply treating gun ownership more like car ownership, something we've long known exactly how to do, utterly escapes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 perhaps if we made everbody have a car things would get better too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Tobacco kills more than assault rifles, morans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 tobbaco wouldn't be a problem if we started mandating all children to smoke. when exposed to smoke at a young age, the body learns a way to just shut cancer down. read your internets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 No smoking signs don't prevent cancer because criminals are going to just ignore them, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) There must be an as yet undiscovered 'gun center' in the American brain - one that shuts down the frontal lobe whenever anyone suggests that we might have a wee bit of a gun violence problem. Confusion as to what we should do about it is entirely intentional. Thanks RNC, NRA, and FOX! Now get on back to trashing Gabby Gifford's husband for demonstrating how just about anyone can buy an AR-15. I guess being awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, an astronaut, and incredibly devoted husband doesn't carry as much weight as it used to in some circles. Edited March 13, 2013 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Breaking News! for those in the mood for a heaping helping of confirmation bias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Breaking News! for those in the mood for a heaping helping of confirmation bias meh. there's literally no hypothetical situation you can concoct that a nra-type's going to agree would justify anything you'd likely want them to. seriously, can you think of one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Not really concerned about NRA-type confirmation bias. Merely recognizing my own. And disgusted this in happening again. Edited March 13, 2013 by E-rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Let's see... The US has 3+ times more gun deaths per capita than any Euro country, about the same as Colombia? No? Ok, let's see... Americans own 40% of the worlds private guns, but constitute only 5% of its population? Oh wait, that's actually a good thing for folks in the business of selling guns. Shooting a congresswoman? No, that was a 'people, not a gun' problem. How about 20 kindergartners? Nup, serves em right for not being armed... I must be too entrenched in my beliefs to come up anything convincing enough. Maybe I should switch to an evidence based system. Edited March 13, 2013 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Breaking News! for those in the mood for a heaping helping of confirmation bias How is this confirmation bias? I think maybe you don't know what that word means? Confirmation bias has to do with selectively favoring information that supports your opinion, or interpreting it in a biased way. Are you suggesting that an unbiased, non-selective search of the data will indicate that gun violence actually *isn't* a problem in America, therefore indicating that these sorts of article are just confirmation bias? On the contrary, by almost any reckoning, America's gun violence problem is raging. More confirmation bias? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Let's see... The US has 3+ times more gun deaths per capita than any Euro country, about the same as Colombia? No? Ok, let's see... Americans own 40% of the worlds private guns, but constitute only 5% of its population? Oh wait, that's actually a good thing for folks in the business of selling guns. Shooting a congresswoman? No, that was a 'people, not a gun' problem. How about 20 kindergartners? Nup, serves em right for not being armed... I must be too entrenched in my beliefs to come up anything convincing enough. Maybe I should switch to an evidence based system. what a bunch of confirmation bias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Breaking News! for those in the mood for a heaping helping of confirmation bias How is this confirmation bias? I think maybe you don't know what that word means? Confirmation bias has to do with selectively favoring information that supports your opinion, or interpreting it in a biased way. Are you suggesting that an unbiased, non-selective search of the data will indicate that gun violence actually *isn't* a problem in America, therefore indicating that these sorts of article are just confirmation bias? On the contrary, by almost any reckoning, America's gun violence problem is raging. More confirmation bias? No, that's not what I'm suggesting. Simmer down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 WUT R U SUGGESTING MORAN????!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 OMG, Confirmation Bias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 More CB: Nocera's column on guns What totalitarian measures are the OR legislators proposing, you ask? Mandatory background checks and a 10 round cap on magazines. TYRRANY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 #StandWithRand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Breaking News! for those in the mood for a heaping helping of confirmation bias How is this confirmation bias? I think maybe you don't know what that word means? Confirmation bias has to do with selectively favoring information that supports your opinion, or interpreting it in a biased way. Are you suggesting that an unbiased, non-selective search of the data will indicate that gun violence actually *isn't* a problem in America, therefore indicating that these sorts of article are just confirmation bias? On the contrary, by almost any reckoning, America's gun violence problem is raging. More confirmation bias? No, that's not what I'm suggesting. Simmer down. Oops, my mistake then. What did you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 More CB: Nocera's column on guns In mid-January, two men began walking around a Portland neighborhood with assault weapons strapped to their backs. Even as schools in the area were locking down, the men insisted that they were “educating the public” about their Second Amendment rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 no room nor need for an ar-15 on the way to mars n' back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 no room nor need for an ar-15 on the way to mars n' back But what if they need to protect their freedoms????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) The sad thing is, most (responsible!!!) gun owners actually support the kinds of reform (background checks, magazine limits) being proposed. The moneyed few versus the rest. An American Tradition. Fortunately, gun ownership in Merka is on the decline - which is why the gun makers are freaking out in the first place. SELL THAT SHIT. Edited March 13, 2013 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Some examples of genocide (numbers are estimates since the dead are hard to interview). -4 million Jews in WWII -2.6 million Soviet sanctioned ethnic cleansing deaths -1 million Cambodians -500,000 in Rwanda -Who knows how many in the Middle East including honor killing of women. People just kind of suck sometimes and violence has been part of our history for a long time. We in the USA just talk about it more. No Americans with any gun involved. It is time to start paying attention to the global issues and not our relatively small situations numbers wise. Edited March 13, 2013 by matt_warfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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