j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Occam's razor is not only a very blunt instrument but in this case it suggests Obama was executed. Obama was executed? Holy Shit! You are a moron. right, someone obviously misspeaking is a moron LOLZ what a fucking retard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Is it possible to have a conversation on here without calling each other names? Just asking.... Occam's razor suggests that people like KKK don't want a discussion to occur. Attacking people personally as he does systematically is a true and tried method of turning any discussion into a mud fight. Neofascists use that method a lot to demonize their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Occam's razor is not only a very blunt instrument but in this case it suggests Obama was executed. Obama was executed? Holy Shit! You are a moron. right, someone obviously misspeaking is a moron LOLZ what a fucking retard Yeah, like you'd cut FUX news, Rush, or anyone slack for the same thing? And you are a moron irrespective of your little malapropisms, just an FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 logic says the perfect crime is to make the body disappear, as everyone knows but rob apparently. Actually no, logic says the simplest explanation is the likely closest to the truth unless other evidence is laid out - or if you rather - the law of parismony, or an extrapolation upon Aristotle - if you want to get esoteric about it. Freshman logic class - really. Occam's razor is not only a very blunt instrument but in this case it suggests OBL was executed. knowing the existence of a concept is one thing, knowing how to apply it is even better, but clearly beyond the scope of freshman's logic class as Jim just demonstrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) note the total absence of any argument addressing the matter at hand from the service goon. Didn't you guys know that i broadcast nationwide and have an army of editors and proof-readers to make sure there is no typos or misspoken words? Edited May 10, 2011 by j_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 logic says the perfect crime is to make the body disappear, as everyone knows but rob apparently. Actually no, logic says the simplest explanation is the likely closest to the truth unless other evidence is laid out - or if you rather - the law of parismony, or an extrapolation upon Aristotle - if you want to get esoteric about it. Freshman logic class - really. quite a leap of logic there, i'd say. i think you are venturing into the territory of statistics, something to logically be leery of when dealing with geopolitics and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Occam's razor is not only a very blunt instrument but in this case it suggests Obama was executed. Obama was executed? Holy Shit! You are a moron. care to expand on that rather erudite argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 it is not a leap in logic, it's a wrong application of Occam's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 While I often disagreed with some noted commentators on this site, I have to say, there is a creeping lack of wit and wisdom to some of these tirades lately. At least some of the arch-conservatives are bright. And Ian could always be counted on for a stick-in-the-eye. It's feeling like high school. Accepting the official version despite the obvious red-herrings within mere days of a public announcement like last weekend's is plain bullshit IMO. First, the story is so weird and was evolving so fast at the beginning of the week that there was no telling which way it would go. Second, instead of pointing the finger at skeptics (justifiably skeptical considering our recent and past history), you should validate reasonable skepticism, which isn't in any way mutually exclusive with addressing oppression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 so what's your argument again about Occam's razor in this instance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 it is not a leap in logic, it's a wrong application of Occam's. well, i was gonna say "leap of faith", which it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 While I often disagreed with some noted commentators on this site, I have to say, there is a creeping lack of wit and wisdom to some of these tirades lately. At least some of the arch-conservatives are bright. And Ian could always be counted on for a stick-in-the-eye. It's feeling like high school. That must why you have been regurgitating all the smears and ad-hominem attacks by KKK. Your demonizing rhetoric doesn't pass the bullshit test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 it is not a leap in logic, it's a wrong application of Occam's. well, i was gonna say "leap of faith", which it was. true enough because the simplest explanation, considering how little we know, is that he was executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 the law of parismony whenever one refers to the "authority" of "law", best be wary, since often it signals a lack of a pertinent argument addressing the issue at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 the law of parismony whenever one refers to the "authority" of "law", best be wary, since often it signals a lack of a pertinent argument addressing the issue at hand. "addressing the issue" with a series of internet kooks is about as productive as clapping with one hand. BTW, being a contrarian on every subject does not separate you from the fold and make you "smart" - it's just plain annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 here comes the mud slinger. What a goon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 "contrarian"? Me? i think you are just easily annoyed. :kisss: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 "addressing the issue" with a series of internet kooks is about as productive as clapping with one hand. does calling them names increase the productivity level? BTW, being a contrarian on every subject does not separate you from the fold and make you "smart" - it's just plain annoying. i have no interest in separating myself from the fold, nor being "smart"; i'd venture a guess and say what really annoys you is that you don't agree with me, nor do you have the patience or desire to address the issues at hand. both positions are understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 so what's your argument again about Occam's razor in this instance? Do I really need to explain this? OK then. You stated this Accepting the official version despite the obvious red-herrings within mere days of a public announcement like last weekend's is plain bullshit IMO. First, the story is so weird and was evolving so fast at the beginning of the week that there was no telling which way it would go. Second, instead of pointing the finger at skeptics (justifiably skeptical considering our recent and past history), you should validate reasonable skepticism, which isn't in any way mutually exclusive with addressing oppression ...which more than insuates that there is some complex problem to be solved that skeptical reivew will unveil. No - a much more simple explanation will do. The overall tone of the above, as the Chomsky quote you provided - uses vagery to try and cast doubt on what appears to be a simple act - OBL got shot in the head - the guy is dead - without laying out any reasonable evidence than the usual hand waving. Logic doesn work that way dude. Seriously. Also - I did not mention Ocman's Razor, which, if you are familar with the concept, is often misapplied to logic sequencing. I suggest you study up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 so what's your argument again about Occam's razor in this instance? Do I really need to explain this? OK then. You stated this You are cheating. You brought up Occam's razor to debunk OBL having been executed, not my post of last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You are cheating. You brought up Occam's razor to debunk OBL having been executed, not my post of last week. do you think jim will respond with "fair enough", or "oh my god i can't take this anymore"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I know I am naive to believe that Jim has any intellectual honesty left in these "debates". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ..or more recetly: logic says the perfect crime is to make the body disappear, as everyone knows but rob apparently. Now if either of you can quote me citing Occamn's Razor I'm ready. If you cut and paste anything I wrote then you don't undersand the nuances of the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 the only thing i'd use occam's razor at this point is for suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 the only thing i'd use occam's razor at this point is for suicide. "fair enough" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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