ivan Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 As Ivan pointed out, he who controls history, controls the future. actually i was just ripping off george orwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 As Ivan pointed out, he who controls history, controls the future. actually i was just ripping off george orwell Fine. He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleym Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 once he was in charge, the brutal and extremely paranoid Stalin turned the volume up a bit, sped up the forced collectivisation and hurried the transformation of the Soviet Union into an industrial power. Â which was good for them (and the west) in that Soviet industry was enormously helpful in stopping the Nazis. Â Stalin slaughtered almost all his experienced generals in the late 30's. This left a huge leadership vacuum when Hitler invaded, leaving the Red Army in woeful disarray. They were very luck to have found Zhukov and a few others to save their asses. God job, Uncle Joe! Â they were far more lucky to have a few million peasant boys who were more afraid of their officers than the nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleym Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 As Ivan pointed out, he who controls history, controls the future. actually i was just ripping off george orwell Fine. He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it. Â now you're ripping off Lord Acton or somebody. doesn't matter. he was wrong anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 As Ivan pointed out, he who controls history, controls the future. actually i was just ripping off george orwell Fine. He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it. Â now you're ripping off Lord Acton or somebody. doesn't matter. he was wrong anyway. i agree (though it was george santayana who's credited w/ that old saw)- the russia/germany ww2 thing is the perfect example - hitler was intensly interested in napoleon's invasion of russia and very concious of avoiding his historical mistakes - the problem is that no situation in the present is a perfect match with a past historical example (the chaos theory thang), so a history book is like an advisor - wise perhaps, often right maybe, but hardly foolproof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Yeah. That's why they never study previous battles in military history. Or why Neitsze coined the term, "eternal recurrance of the same." Or modern scholars use the term "Hermenuetical spiral." It's all bullshit. History should be outlawed. Once upon a time Greog Washbern got a cuntry an named it the clounys. We were fought by evildoers and folks without religion. So we wun. Now we is great n kick asses whereever we go. Cuz we're right. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Ain't nuthin wrong with bein right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So it gos - Kurt Vonnegut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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