First it was Danish cartoons, now it's a movie!

[sobo]

Ya'll seen this one yet?

 

Muslim reaction has been "muted" to this. I must say, I am surprised...

 

Link to the film Fitna

[Hendershot]

That's asking for it.

 

So why are the Dutch helping us out more on our "War on Terrorism"?

[sobo]

You mean why aren't they?

Dunno, maybe they have enough of their own internal problems.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

That's asking for it.

 

So why are the Dutch helping us out more on our "War on Terrorism"?

 

Because we're doing such a fine job on our own?

[Hendershot]

Sorry, that's what I meant. Why aren't they helping us out?

 

I guess they are setting themselves up as bait. By putting out a movie that will provoke an attack on the film makers, that will draw some radicals out of the woodwork.

[sirwoofalot]

 

This is the truth about Islam when it is unveiled.

 

"… Islam and the Quran are part of a fascist ideology that wants to kill everything we stand for in a modern Western democracy."

 

If we capitulate this is what is coming our way.

 

… A Muslim murdered a Dutch director who had made a film critical of Islam. He knocked the director off his bike in Amsterdam, shot him repeatedly and then slit his throat.

 

And the price of telling the truth is.

 

Wilders doesn't live in Venlo anymore. The target of numerous death threats, Wilders spends his free time in a secret location under constant police protection.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Sorry, that's what I meant. Why aren't they helping us out?

 

I guess they are setting themselves up as bait. By putting out a movie that will provoke an attack on the film makers, that will draw some radicals out of the woodwork.

 

They? It's like one dude, who is dubbed "far right" in the cited article.

[archenemy]

And yet, we constantly read stories about gov'ts trying to placate the muslims that have moved into their countries. Sick of it.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

And yet, we constantly read stories about gov'ts trying to placate the muslims that have moved into their countries. Sick of it.

 

Buy a dog, and eat lots of pork.

[archenemy]

Here is a frightening quote:

 

"I find it irresponsible to broadcast this film," he said. "That's because Dutch companies, Dutch soldiers and Dutch residents abroad could and will be in danger."

 

Terrorists succeed when they have silenced those who oppose them.

[archenemy]

And yet, we constantly read stories about gov'ts trying to placate the muslims that have moved into their countries. Sick of it.

 

Buy a dog, and eat lots of pork.

I'll add that to my current efforts of learning Arabic and reading the Koran.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

And yet, we constantly read stories about gov'ts trying to placate the muslims that have moved into their countries. Sick of it.

 

Buy a dog, and eat lots of pork.

I'll add that to my current efforts of learning Arabic and reading the Koran.

 

Add this to your arabic lexicon: kus emek.

 

[Hendershot]

Sorry, that's what I meant. Why aren't they helping us out?

 

I guess they are setting themselves up as bait. By putting out a movie that will provoke an attack on the film makers, that will draw some radicals out of the woodwork.

 

They? It's like one dude, who is dubbed "far right" in the cited article.

 

Do we apply the same logic when one Mulsim kills somebody? No, we sterotype the whole group. Others will stereotype Westerners into one group, just as we do to them.

[Recycled]

I just wish Wilders had cast a wider net and targeted fundamentalism in general. You could probably make the same movie about Hindu or Christian fundamentalism. There's no reasoning with people who think God is whispering in their ears.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Do we apply the same logic when one Mulsim kills somebody? No, we sterotype the whole group. Others will stereotype Westerners into one group, just as we do to them.

 

We don't put Fatwa's on people for writing a book (Rushdie), or drawing cartoons.

[Hendershot]

To minimize portraying a Prophet of God as a terrorist as simple a cartoon, demonstrates a complete ignorance of the issue and Islam itself.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

To minimize portraying a Prophet of God as a terrorist as simple a cartoon, demonstrates a complete ignorance of the issue and Islam itself.

 

As if cartoonists - or cc.com posters - don't do exactly the respect w/r/t to Jesus and Christianity.

 

 

[Hendershot]

Does that make it right?

 

One of our strengths as Americans is our ability to live (or post) with people of different views. Intolerance by either end of the political or religious spectrum weakens the very foundations of a particular belief system.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Does that make it right?

 

One of our strengths as Americans is our ability to live (or post) with people of different views. Intolerance by either end of the political or religious spectrum weakens the very foundations of a particular belief system.

 

As I said, WE don't put fatwas on people for writing offensive cartoons. I'm not gonna start shitting all over what Americans do, when those nuts over there are so far worse in their (over)reactions than we are.

[JayB]

To minimize portraying a Prophet of God as a terrorist as simple a cartoon, demonstrates a complete ignorance of the issue and Islam itself.

 

I'm ignorant concerning the taboos associated with virtually all religions - whether they be observed in the present or are long forgotten relics of an even more barbarous and superstitious past.

 

Free people should feel no compunction whatsoever to conduct themselves in accordance with a particular religion's taboos, nor should they exempt any religion from the criticism or scrutiny applied to other systems of belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sobo]

...Intolerance by either end of the political or religious spectrum weakens the very foundations of a particular belief system.

 

My point exactly. Again... and again... and again...

[sobo]

Free people should feel no compunction whatsoever to conduct themselves in accordance with a particular religion's taboos, nor should they exempt any religion from the criticism or scrutiny applied to other systems of belief.

 

+5

[JayB]

Does that make it right?

 

One of our strengths as Americans is our ability to live (or post) with people of different views. Intolerance by either end of the political or religious spectrum weakens the very foundations of a particular belief system.

 

What are the proper limits to the said tolerance, in your estimation?

[sobo]

Youch! Good one, there...

Cutting to the quick. I see where you're going.

 

It has to work both ways, Hendershot, or it doesn't work at all.

 

BTW, has anyone clicked on the movie yet? I have to wait until I can view it while not connected to my company server. Somehow, I think I'd receive yet another proxy server warning...

[G-spotter]

I watched it and it kinda reminded me of some Nazi films about the evil Jew menace. It also kinda reminded me about the "911 Truth" films that claimed that the thing that hit the Pentagon wasn't a plane.