rbw1966 Posted November 11, 2002 Posted November 11, 2002 According to Grivel's website, all their adjustment bars are compatible within their crampons. Why don't you just take the crampons in to a store and check it out? Quote
sketchfest Posted November 11, 2002 Posted November 11, 2002 Well gee wiz, why couldn't I have figured that out? I never thought to go to the website. I guess what my kids say is true. Â I can't find a store in Portland with the G-12 bar, only the -10, guess it's time to go direct. Quote
Rodchester Posted November 11, 2002 Posted November 11, 2002 I am pretty sure the bar is the same for the G10 as the G12 (and G14). Â GregW: Â For an all around crampon go with steel. I would go with the new matic binding system that Grivel uses (Or whatever company's version of step in rear with strap front). Â Reason? I have used three crampons over the years with a metal front piece. One grivel 2F, one Stubai, and one Grivel Rambo. Â The metal front piece works just fine on any boot designed for it, and that is not worn down. I have a good pair of leathers that have plenty of miles still to go that cannot take my Rambos (wire front piece) any longer. Also the wire front piece is a bitch to work with when using overboots. Â Put simply, the new-matic system fits more boots, more easily. They adjust to over boots better, if you ever go to Alaska/Himalaya. They wil fit any boot the wire bail fits, but the wire bail will not fit everyboot they fit. Â Take a close lok at the Grivel G12. I am very happy with it. It fits a lot of boots, adjusts easily, very durable, and with agressive front points it does good on moderate ice. I have REALLY been impressed by the durability of the plastic used on the front piece too. Â Good luck... Quote
sketchfest Posted November 11, 2002 Posted November 11, 2002 I believe that there is no difference in the shape of the bar, only the length. A G-10 will only adjust out to a size 12 boot, while I was lead to believe that the G-12 would adjust to 12.5+. (like I said, my boys feet have grown) Quote
RobBob Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 Sketch, you need to go to the cheap gear thread. That's practically what some are wearing. Â Sounds like that son of yours needs to work hard to buy his dear ol' dad some crampons for xmas! Quote
sketchfest Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 I'm working on that, right now his priorities area little mixed up and he's paying a little to much attention to the girlies than to the climbing. Damn, I gotta get his head screwed on straight! Quote
rbw1966 Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 One heart-wrenching encounter with "the gentler sex" will have him on-sighting Leutholds like Will Strickland. Â I could engage in that silly page top chest-beating but I wont. Â ok, I lied. Â [ 11-11-2002, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: rbw1966 ] Quote
sketchfest Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 Yeah, but what can you tell a 15 year old? Let me tell ya if you don't know...Not a damn thing! As I've been told recently, I'm old and things are different now, I just have no clue. Oh well, I'll just have to wait another 10 years or so before I can before smart again. Quote
RobBob Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 My dad became smart again by the time I finished college. BTW, I've got boy-girl twins, and the very preliminary results of my small, ongoing experiment say that the girls are much more hard-headed than the boys. Quote
sketchfest Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 My daughter is twelve and just entered that "special" phase of her life. Not only do I not have a clue about anything, BUT I'm also insensitive and a dork. Quote
RobBob Posted November 12, 2002 Posted November 12, 2002 I'm just afraid my girl, the 4-y-o extreme-skier,exteme-everything is going to want to climb, and my son will say 'too risky!' Quote
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