wydrav13 Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 thinkig about new tools whats your take on these two tools i want something that i can climb alpine with but still do the verticle ice. the light machines look like they would be better for veticle ice..and not as well in an alpine setting like the axars. but seems like the better climbing ability of the light machines makes up the difference. can you sill "plunge" with these tools..any advice would be great. Quote
Dru Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 alpine with light machines would be bunk. not made for plunging, hammering shaft, adzing (do they even come with an adze?) or what have you, although you could try, it would be about like glacier walking with a pair of 5.10 Moccasyms on. axar is designed for all around climbing including alpine. now let the flames start from those who alpine climb extensively with their light machines! [ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Dru ] Quote
Lambone Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 Hey, check this out. Carbon Fiber Black Prophets (straight shaft) for 189$!! One of the best all around tools ever made, fer sure ya know! http://www.bdel.com/php/specials.php [ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Lambone ] Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 I own light machines. They are a very fine tool. Better than cobra in my opinion and much more affordable. However I would not use them for alpine. Obvious reasons why.. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 [ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: vegetablebelay ] Quote
Lambone Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 yo vege, you got to get a little more creative than that man... you tryin to break your own record for most posts in a day or somethin? Quote
vegetablebelay Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Lambone: yo vege, you got to get a little more creative than that man... you tryin to break your own record for most posts in a day or somethin? I was gonna give you a little jab, but you edited your post before I hit the button. My reply looked lame after so I pulled a Trask! Quote
vegetablebelay Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Bring it on punk... You're too easy I'm not sure it would be playing fair. Quote
Lambone Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 Don't listen to Dru...he climbs on those silly Charlet things. Get cobras, hands down. I saw Jim Nelson lead Icy BC with Leashless light machines. He said he really liked it. he also has a demo pair at his shop if ya wanna check them out. Quote
todd Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 i own both, and use my axars for alpine and my machines for steep ice. i think if you can afford it, two pairs of tools is the way to go. of course i acquired both over a period of time and got deals on them, and i recognize that buying both is, economically, probably not an option. ive climbed quite a bit of steep ice on my axars and they work well (i always tell myself that there were guys who could do it back in the 70's with gear that comes nowhere near to even the worse stuff on the market today, so whatever i have in my hand should get the job done). just be sure to add head weights to them for waterfall ice - its surprising what a difference they make. if youve narrowed it down to those two pairs and only plan on owning one pair of tools, go with the axars, theyre far more versatile. Quote
Dru Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 if you need more head weight do a web search for 'ampalang' Quote
todd Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 ok, i followed your orders dru. i found myself on a german site about piercing and branding. does this have anything to do with anything? Quote
todd Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 ok ok, i found it on another site. ampalang, right, of course. do you find that works for you dru? seems kinda risky... Quote
Dru Posted February 7, 2002 Posted February 7, 2002 i don't need head weights - just suggesting a way for you to add some weight if you got a wimpy little purple head on your tool. Quote
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