Hillary outspoken socialist

[sheaf_stout]

The article and speach says it all. Hillary will say whatever and do whatever it takes to get a vote. Including embracing extreme socialist ways. Of course if she truly believed in everything she preached she would let her wealth trickle down to some poor people instead. The utopian dream has a foul Marxist odor.

 

On another note - It seems as if Fred Thompson might be making a bonafide Presidential run. That would be good to challenge career politicians like Romney, Guiliani, and McCain who are garbage in my eyes.

 

 

AP

We Are All in It Together, Clinton Says

Tuesday May 29, 4:41 pm ET

By Holly Ramer, Associated Press Writer

Clinton: Shared Prosperity Should Replace 'On Your Own' Society

 

 

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) -- Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

 

The Democratic senator said what the Bush administration touts as an ownership society really is an "on your own" society that has widened the gap between rich and poor.

 

"I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society," she said. "I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none."

 

That means pairing growth with fairness, she said, to ensure that the middle-class succeeds in the global economy, not just corporate CEOs.

 

"There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

 

Clinton spoke at the Manchester School of Technology, which trains high school students for careers in the construction, automotive, graphic arts and other industries. The school highlighted one of the nine goals she outlined: increasing support for alternative schools and community colleges.

 

"We have sent a message to our young people that if you don't go to college ... that you're thought less of in America. We have to stop this," she said.

 

Beyond education, Clinton said she would reduce special breaks for corporations, eliminate tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.

 

Clinton also said she would help people save more money by expanding and simplifying the earned income tax credit; create new jobs by pursuing energy independence; and ensure that every American has affordable health insurance.

 

In 1965, the average corporate chief executive earned 24 times as much as the average worker, she said. By 2005, it was 262 times as much. In the last six years, productivity has increased, but family incomes have gone down, she said, leading to rising inequality and pessimism in the work force.

 

"It's not as if America hasn't been successful these last six years, but the measure of success does not relate to what's happening in households across our country," she said. "It's like trickle down economics, without the trickle."

[joblo7]

wow! really outrageous statements. we should spread the wealth around.challenge control of corporate highjacking of our country and place back in democratic control of 'the people'. restore democracy.

social conscience is taboo . wow.

 

 

[sirwoofalot]

"There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

 

 

 

This is a contradition.

When ever you add rules to the free market, then it is no longer free....

 

 

 

[ZimZam]

then explain this-

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

 

 

[Seahawks]

"There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

 

 

 

This is a contradition.

When ever you add rules to the free market, then it is no longer free....

 

 

 

She is a Idiot, a sure ticket to the Dems losing again.

 

[catbirdseat]

It's a huge stretch to say what Hillary advocates is socialism, even the mild forms of which are practiced in Europe. She's just saying that tax and benefit policies should no longer be geared to benefit just the wealthy. They don't need any more help.

[Seahawks]

It's a huge stretch to say what Hillary advocates is socialism, even the mild forms of which are practiced in Europe. She's just saying that tax and benefit policies should no longer be geared to benefit just the wealthy. They don't need any more help.

 

Just give the money from the rich to the poor and bus them in for the vote. Sounds like a good plan.

[kevbone]

 

Just give the money from the rich to the poor and bus them in for the vote. Sounds like a good plan.

 

I agree, sounds like a great plan.

[kevbone]

The article and speach says it all. Hillary will say whatever and do whatever it takes to get a vote.

 

That sounds like any politician to me!

[SmallShoes]

"There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

 

 

 

This is a contradition.

When ever you add rules to the free market, then it is no longer free....

 

 

 

She is a Idiot, a sure ticket to the Dems losing again.

 

 

Do you have anything more convincing than re-using that picture which you've posted approximately 10 times already and calling her an idiot? Like, I don't know, facts, references - oh what about original thought instead of reposting someone else's conservative blog?

Not that I support her but I would like to hear the sage reasoning behind the opinion of someone who's best reply is accusing others of seeing things through "Dems fog glasses". Because certainly they would be above and beyond seeing things through 'Repubs fog glasses'.

 

[catbirdseat]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

[Seahawks]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

 

Reasoned arguments lol hell if its not a conspiricacy argument a dem can't think about it.

Edited May 30, 2007 by Seahawks

[JosephH]

Adam Smith vs. Government-Enabled Theft

=======================================

 

Healthcare - many uninsured, poor coverage, high premiums, litany of expensive middlemen, widespread exclusions of pre-existing conditions, loss of coverage due to major illnesses, Marketing is the highest cost component of pharmecuticals, even non-healthcare corporations are being driven offshore by healthcare costs.

 

Insurance - when a claim is submitted for almost any form of insurance a growning standard practice is now to deny it which drops about 5-20% of claims; then send out a very lowball settlement check resolving another 20-30% of claims who protest; then battling anyone that hasn't gone away stretching out the process and whacking another 20-30%, and only really settling legitimately with the remaining determined policy holders.

 

Education - vast student loan conspiracy rapes the average student and family - is it good business or treason? 50+% of professional graduates are foreigners because we refuse to emphasize educating Americans. Corporations pay next to nothing into state education systems. Education and skills are the only competitive edge the U.S. has and we aren't lagging, we're crashing. The Bush administration has done everything in it's power to remove insurance regulation from states, essentially destroying existing industry oversight or policing.

 

Banking - the Bush administration has engineered the removal of state oversight and regulation of broad swaths of the banking and finance industry essentially destroying existing industry oversight or policing.

 

Immigration - corporations want stunning levels of H-1B visas to import foreign skilled workers rather than invest in Americans the skills they need to do the work. An endless list of skilled and professional "shortages" such as for Nurses are claimed to exist, yet Nursing education has not ramped up at all to educate Americans, all while we invest next to nothing in ourselves.

 

Pensions - For the past quarter decade the American pension and retirement system has been systematically pillaged, looted, and destroyed by financial pirates who, having looted pretty much all the private pension funds, now desperately want to do the same to social security - the last gleaming treasure trove, it maddens them it is still out of reach after years of Bush administration promises it would soon be theirs.

 

Oh, yeah - this version of free-market capitalism is just what Adam Smith had in mind. Or, to quote the summary statement of a friend's PhD dissertation in Accounting - "Corporations without proper government oversight are indistinguishable from organized crime."

[Snide]

On another note - It seems as if Fred Thompson might be making a bonafide Presidential run. That would be good to challenge career politicians like Romney, Guiliani, and McCain who are garbage in my eyes.

 

Without addressing his merits as a Presidential candidate, I just want to point out that any claim that Fred Thompson is not a career politician is completely baseless. Thompson has made his living off of D.C. politics since the early '70's.

[Seahawks]

Adam Smith vs. Government-Enabled Theft

=======================================

 

Healthcare - many uninsured, poor coverage, high premiums, litany of expensive middlemen, widespread exclusions of pre-existing conditions, loss of coverage due to major illnesses, Marketing is the highest cost component of pharmecuticals, even non-healthcare corporations are being driven offshore by healthcare costs.

 

Insurance - when a claim is submitted for almost any form of insurance a growning standard practice is now to deny it which drops about 5-20% of claims; then send out a very lowball settlement check resolving another 20-30% of claims who protest; then battling anyone that hasn't gone away stretching out the process and whacking another 20-30%, and only really settling legitimately with the remaining determined policy holders.

 

Education - vast student loan conspiracy rapes the average student and family - is it good business or treason? 50+% of professional graduates are foreigners because we refuse to emphasize educating Americans. Corporations pay next to nothing into state education systems. Education and skills are the only competitive edge the U.S. has and we aren't lagging, we're crashing. The Bush administration has done everything in it's power to remove insurance regulation from states, essentially destroying existing industry oversight or policing.

 

Banking - the Bush administration has engineered the removal of state oversight and regulation of broad swaths of the banking and finance industry essentially destroying existing industry oversight or policing.

 

Immigration - corporations want stunning levels of H-1B visas to import foreign skilled workers rather than invest in Americans the skills they need to do the work. An endless list of skilled and professional "shortages" such as for Nurses are claimed to exist, yet Nursing education has not ramped up at all to educate Americans, all while we invest next to nothing in ourselves.

 

Pensions - For the past quarter decade the American pension and retirement system has been systematically pillaged, looted, and destroyed by financial pirates who, having looted pretty much all the private pension funds, now desperately want to do the same to social security - the last gleaming treasure trove, it maddens them it is still out of reach after years of Bush administration promises it would soon be theirs.

 

Oh, yeah - this version of free-market capitalism is just what Adam Smith had in mind. Or, to quote the summary statement of a friend's PhD dissertation in Accounting - "Corporations without proper government oversight are indistinguishable from organized crime."

 

Ever hear of SOX?????

[SmallShoes]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

 

Reasoned arguments lol hell if its not a conspiricacy argument a dem can't think about it.

 

Hey Kids! Let's make overly broad generalizations about people who disagree with your political views! It's easy! All you have to do is take someone with extremist views from an opposing political stance and hold them up as an example of the typical opposition. For extra fun you can deconstruct this person's (a.k.a. straw man's) extreme arguments and show how you're right!

Or if you're too lazy you can repost someone else's blog where they've done this for you. Or even lazier - just repeat some one liner such as "This person is an idiot," or "You're just looking through [Political Party] fog glasses."

[Seahawks]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

 

Reasoned arguments lol hell if its not a conspiricacy argument a dem can't think about it.

 

Hey Kids! Let's make overly broad generalizations about people who disagree with your political views! It's easy! All you have to do is take someone with extremist views from an opposing political stance and hold them up as an example of the typical opposition. For extra fun you can deconstruct this person's (a.k.a. straw man's) extreme arguments and show how you're right!

Or if you're too lazy you can repost someone else's blog where they've done this for you. Or even lazier - just repeat some one liner such as "This person is an idiot," or "You're just looking through [Political Party] fog glasses."

 

Strawman??? Hell there a handful of those strawmen right here on this.

[JosephH]

Adam Smith vs. Government-Enabled Theft

 

Ever hear of SOX?????

 

Actually, yes - but it's more about governance oversight and regulatory compliance reporting - it is about corporations adhering to the law, not about their efforts to change it. It doesn't address at all the efforts of corporations to get the previous Congress to gut state oversight of whole industries. Or any number of successful campaigns to eliminate or gut consumer and environmental protection laws they find inconvenient. Or the wholesale dismantling or shutdown of our government - agency by agency - by corporate lobbyists appointed as agency heads by a corrupt administration.

 

All in all, SOX is about governance, structure, and reporting within the law - not the wholesale manipulation of law and it's enforcement.

[joblo7]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

 

Reasoned arguments lol hell if its not a conspiricacy argument a dem can't think about it.

 

Hey Kids! Let's make overly broad generalizations about people who disagree with your political views! It's easy! All you have to do is take someone with extremist views from an opposing political stance and hold them up as an example of the typical opposition. For extra fun you can deconstruct this person's (a.k.a. straw man's) extreme arguments and show how you're right!

Or if you're too lazy you can repost someone else's blog where they've done this for you. Or even lazier - just repeat some one liner such as "This person is an idiot," or "You're just looking through [Political Party] fog glasses."

 

Strawman??? Hell there a handful of those strawmen right here on this.

 

fuckin' clueless twit at it again. nothing to say but media cliches,other's words and THAT PIC he feels has such a strong message.

[joblo7]

Adam Smith vs. Government-Enabled Theft

 

Ever hear of SOX?????

 

Actually, yes - but it's more about governance oversight and regulatory compliance reporting - it is about corporations adhering to the law, not about their efforts to change it. It doesn't address at all the efforts of corporations to get the previous Congress to gut state oversight of whole industries. Or any number of successful campaigns to eliminate or gut consumer and environmental protection laws they find inconvenient. Or the wholesale dismantling or shutdown of our government - agency by agency - by corporate lobbyists appointed as agency heads by a corrupt administration.

 

All in all, SOX is about governance, structure, and reporting within the law - not the wholesale manipulation of law and it's enforcement.

 

That statement is example of this administration selling the country to the highest bidder. the dems were not much better but it is now actually taboo to have ANY conscience whatsoever. new lows in american policy here and abroad.

the problem is voter's dependance on the media and its unified voice and ownership.

"the axis of evil is the american media, if it can sell us bush, it can sell us anything" bill maher (not a fan but accurate quote)

[Seahawks]

Hey these guys learned their trade from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. They don't actually make reasoned arguments.

 

Reasoned arguments lol hell if its not a conspiricacy argument a dem can't think about it.

 

Hey Kids! Let's make overly broad generalizations about people who disagree with your political views! It's easy! All you have to do is take someone with extremist views from an opposing political stance and hold them up as an example of the typical opposition. For extra fun you can deconstruct this person's (a.k.a. straw man's) extreme arguments and show how you're right!

Or if you're too lazy you can repost someone else's blog where they've done this for you. Or even lazier - just repeat some one liner such as "This person is an idiot," or "You're just looking through [Political Party] fog glasses."

 

Strawman??? Hell there a handful of those strawmen right here on this.

 

fuckin' clueless twit at it again. nothing to say but media cliches,other's words and THAT PIC he feels has such a strong message.

 

Just like a dem, loose an argument and get all bent out of shape and try to convince someone through intimidation.

[JosephH]

So Seahawks, you want to take it sector by sector and show how the collusion between corporations and this adminstration has been anything but a sale of government - to be honest an old school, Eisenhower Republican would consider it treason.

[archenemy]

Seahawk, it is getting frustrating to read when you bring up short points and then dismiss the conversation that comes out of it by calling the other person a "dem" and not dealing with the very topic brought up. You are not strengthening your case by continually doing this.

 

The SOX question was an interesting thing to bring up--I am curious to hear what you were thinking specifically when mentioning this. I have worked in IS in a bank and had to deal with a great deal of SOX regulations. I am curious to find out what you think SOX is accomplishing.

[Seahawks]

Seahawk, it is getting frustrating to read when you bring up short points and then dismiss the conversation that comes out of it by calling the other person a "dem" and not dealing with the very topic brought up. You are not strengthening your case by continually doing this.

 

The SOX question was an interesting thing to bring up--I am curious to hear what you were thinking specifically when mentioning this. I have worked in IS in a bank and had to deal with a great deal of SOX regulations. I am curious to find out what you think SOX is accomplishing.

 

He was listing a bunch of stuff and no point was made that there are now more regulations and laws out there than ever to fix these things. Sox is one example. Typical response by those "Dems" to list all the problems of the world and then say "Bush" is responsible. To me this destroys the conversation every time. Frickin grow up and stop blaming everyone else except yourself. Democrats cry of foul is old and tastes like shit.

Edited May 30, 2007 by Seahawks

[jjd]

I'm not sure how else you could describe Hillary's plans for universal health care, "wealth transfers," etc other than as socialism. She invokes the same tired old Marxist rhetoric that the "rich" do so on the back of "the little guy." Blah Blah Blah. The vast majority of the "poor" in this country are poor because they: make bad decisions, don't care, don't work hard or don't take the risks necessary to become wealthy. In any case, it is NOT the role of the governemnt to compel charity for ANYONE.