Cpt.Caveman Posted December 30, 2001 Posted December 30, 2001 I got my grivels last month equipped with DMM leashes. After 2 trips I am impressed. Work better than the cobra for me (I have small hands and cobras have large grips). I think the reason people dont like the grivel machine is that the swing takes some getting used to. Once that is mastered it means nothing to me. I do not climb any alpine ice any more so much opinionated to waterfall use. I climb way better in the begginning of this year than at the end of last year. I only changed tools. Must be it. I can hook better than the BD tools I had and dont smash my knuckles like I did with the prophets. I think the BD pick design sticks too good and is harder for me to remove (flawed design). Plus not much on the bd pick when it comes to hooking only the quark seems to compare much. The radical shaft is good for clearing bulges. Grivel is good. They know what they are doing over there in Italy. BD can kiss it in my book Even their screws are flawed. Back to android leashes. They suck. get caught on screws and flop around annoyingly. Keep it simple stupid and use easy remove leashes is my opinion. I guess BD figured out a way to sucker the masses into the carbon fiber junkies and android 40$ leashes Peace and be safe climbing you other gear junkies [ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote
icegirl Posted December 30, 2001 Posted December 30, 2001 Grivel Light Machines = two thumbs up Other than the fact that I fell in love with them the first time I used them (they make me better than I really am), I agree, the grip size does seem to make a difference for size x-pygmy hands. I tried the Top Machine for a long weekend, the grip is even thinner, and the swing feels about the same, but those "sporty" knuckle guard/leashless handles would take some getting used to (and adjusting for small hands). Not like I'll be participating in any leashless-speed-ice-climbing comps. anytime soon... Quote
IceIceBaby Posted January 2, 2002 Posted January 2, 2002 I know where you coming from I have the old Rambo (silver) which I would not trade for any thing On the other hand I had the Cobra and I hated the damned thing got rid of them like a bad sickness now I have the Rage and man do I LOVE them the best steep ice tools I ever had I use the BD leashes one lockdown on my Left and android (old style secure with hose clamp on the shaft) on my RightIn regard to the screws Grivel rock they make great screws i.e.360 I have 8 of them I also use 6 BD express and 4 Smiley’s with the crank I like them all but I favor the 360 the easiest placements [ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ] Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 3, 2002 Author Posted January 3, 2002 My only beef with 360 is how they rack. Other than that I find them great. Does anyone have a good way to rack them so they are easy to remove from racks? Quote
wdietsch Posted January 3, 2002 Posted January 3, 2002 What ... you mean you don't like those "Zamfir, Master of the skin flute" lookin' gizmos that Grivel makes? [ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: wdietsch ] Quote
Dru Posted January 3, 2002 Posted January 3, 2002 i heard the lever on the 360 can unclip your biner from the screw if you clip the biner facing the wrong way? Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 3, 2002 Author Posted January 3, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: i heard the lever on the 360 can unclip your biner from the screw if you clip the biner facing the wrong way? I heard that Pamela Anderson is now going to be a Porn Star! She like Long Schlong Quote
IceIceBaby Posted January 3, 2002 Posted January 3, 2002 The tube things that Grivel make they call them "espresso" work wonderful if you don't mind looking like "Dirty Harry" carrying them on your harness they protect the whole screw including the threads and they can take any other screws too just don't rack the 10cm stubby on them they might fall off use the Trango for that instead Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 3, 2002 Author Posted January 3, 2002 quote: Originally posted by IceIceBaby: The tube things that Grivel make they call them "espresso" work wonderful if you don't mind looking like "Dirty Harry" carrying them on your harness they protect the whole screw including the threads and they can take any other screws too just don't rack the 10cm stubby on them they might fall off use the Trango for that instead I tried the new one. It houses 5 screws and my BD and Omegas want to fall out Quote
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