keithb Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 looks like a couple of recent av crowns on west side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Able 421 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The climber on the NE side appears to have stopped. Looks like he's digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The guy who went down the ridge is now digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbb Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Chinook helicopters have a 3ft square hole in the bottom of them that they are able to lower and raise a winch cable out of. If the person medically does not need to be immobilized, they can simply be loaded onto a 1-2 person carrier/seat called a "jungle penetrator". They clip into the ring at the end of the cable and are winched up into the aircraft. The hole is also large enough to accomidate a "litter", what rescuers use to transport people with broken legs, backs, etc. kind of a backboard with handles and rails around it. these can be hooked to the winch cable and guided into the helicopter from below. The latter is more difficult and time consuming, but still fairly standard practice. Â I would say that winching them into the bird on the jungle penetrator is the most likely scenario. Another option is to do a "hot" landing on the summit, where flat enough ground allows for the helicopter to set down. They keep the engines running at full speed so there is no danger getting stuck. If the winds are high, they may very well use this option. They can also hover/land with only part of the aircraft on the mountain (like the back, where the door is). Just for scale, chinook helicopters are about as big as a school bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Fox is feeding the live helo shots of the summit ridge where the SAR folks are digging and probing with tools at several different locations. Â where, post the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griz Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The guy who went down the ridge is now digging. the " /\ " shape is visible in the snow just below the sar guy on cnn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Able 421 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I wonder why the three other guys are digging at the apex of the summit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zl27 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 So, if the cave is really only 300 feet from the summit, would they likely try to haul him up to where the rescuers were dropped off? Â Watching the feed on CNN, there are a bunch of guys up on the ridgeline watching one climbing down. Then, on the other (sunny) side, there appears to be some guys doing something (saw some swinging motions like they were driving something into the snow). Any insight on what they are doing? Â Now there's a second guy climbing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbunch Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I can't get any of these video feeds. Could it be that they're digging in order to build a safe snow anchor... trying to find firm snow for flukes & pickets, or making a bollard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 They are probing for a cave  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zl27 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Thanks, I was talking about the guys on the opposite side. But several people answered it before I finished asking the question. Y'all are fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zl27 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Cable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstone Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Looks like CNN has live feed, seems to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zl27 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 CNN and Fox need to get rid of the friggin giant banners and pictures at the bottom of the page....it's half the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Male Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I don't care if they have dish network in their cave. It wouldn't have done them any good since SAR and MR couldn't get to them until today. END OF CONVERSATION ON THIS THREAD. GET IT! Please take your idiot conversation else where.  Thank you.   Who in the hell appointed you the moderator of this thread, Atreides/Nazi/jerk? This is my thread just as much as it is anyone else's.  I want to see the technical comments because, in the future, when people want information about what happened on this climb and how to avoid the same problems in the future, this is where they'll look. Limiting technical commentary to some other thread in some other forum consigns them to obscurity and destroys the important immediacy factor of the vital lessons-to-be-learned aspect of all this.  Frankly, all of you As-the-World-Turns gawkers need to go somewhere else - we don't need a half-dozen people transcribing the same CNN broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Sorry, I meant Fox the TV channel was feeding live video. My TV screen says it is coming in from affiliates. My screen said something like KOIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeyore Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The guy who went down the ridge is now digging. the " /\ " shape is visible in the snow just below the sar guy on cnn. I concur, was watching the guy digging from the apex of the /\ for five minutes and amazed that none of the talking heads mentioned it. You could even see the spindrift coming from his shovel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 KOIN and KPTV are the local Fox feeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Everyone take a deep breath pls. Stay on the search. We are helping those who do not have a live feed such as Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 is there a live internet feed? sombody psot the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmctlaw Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's hard to know what the video is that we are watching. Some is a replay of 20 mins ago so it is confusing. But the best I can tell is that SAR is now descending to the 'known cave'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Post deleted by Lambone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Please keep it clean, Live feed on cnn.com. 3 minutes for free or $2.95 a month internet quality video if you're like me and no cable. Â Our prayers are with them, Get them out alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zl27 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I think we're all watching it on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Yes. Post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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