JAL Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Hey, is anyone willing to validate my trip plan for the Coleman-Deming route on Mt Baker? Or is there a place where you can get completed trip plans? Here goes... is my first one so rip it up... ASCENT Leg 1 - 202 degrees from 6000' to 7000' ~1/2 mile and 40 minutes Leg 2 - 270 degrees from 7000' to 9000' ~1 1/2 miles and 1 1/2 hours, Right handrail ridge and black buttes Leg 3 - 218 degrees from 9000' to 8700' through saddle ~1/8 mile and 15 minutes, Right handrail Colfax Peak Leg 4 - 310 degrees 8700' to summit up Roman Wall ~3/4 miles and 1 1/2 hours DESCENT Leg 1 - 130 degrees from summit to 8700' ~1 hour Leg 2 - 38 degrees 8700' over saddle to 9000' ~20 minutes Leg 3 - 90 degrees 9000' to 7000' ~1 hour Leg 4 - 22 degrees 7000' to 6000' ~25 minutes Quote
catbirdseat Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 It is possible to overplan a trip. If it were me, I'd just walk up the route and follow the bootpath. Of course I'd bring a map, compass and altimeter, just in case. Quote
Cobra_Commander Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 my name is Cobra Commander and I approve this trip plan. but for god's sake man, 219 degrees rather than 218 on that 3rd leg! Quote
slothrop Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Just close your eyes and feel the energy of the mountain, man. Quote
markharf Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Your post definitely invites abuse and ridicule. Probably, no one's going to check your bearings: if you're that concerned, you'll check them yourself. No one's going to check your mileage, either. You might think about whether you really move as fast fully geared up as you're planning. I sure don't, but lots do, and you might. In practical terms, if the visibility's good, you don't need to worry about anything besides following the cattle track and your own sensibilities upward, then back down again. If visibility is bad, your bearings won't help much because you'll be attending more closely to the boot track in order to weave through crevasses. To predict elapsed time on a simple slog like the Coleman-Deming, assign yourself a rate per hour based on experience (1000, 1200, 1500 vertical feet/hour), and add any allowance you please for snack breaks, photo ops, gear failures or fumbling. From 6000 to 10,700 feet might take 4 hours as you predict....or 8 hours, if associated with Bellingham Parks and Rec. In other words, YMMV. Have fun. Quote
RogerJ Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 All kidding aside, it's not a bad idea to be able to make a white-out travel plan. So why not practice and validate your plan against the actual climb you do. Cautionary note: don't fall into a crevasse at for the sake of maintaining your bearing. That would really suck! It seems to me the worst place to develop such skills would be on a vast expanse of glacier in AK or something similar. So it's probably overkill for the CD route, but go for it, and have fun, and don't get locked into too much precision. Then see how good your plan mapped out against reality. Just my random thoughts. -r Quote
JAL Posted July 18, 2006 Author Posted July 18, 2006 The ridicule is fine and I didn't really expect anyone to validate the bearings. I am just trying to learn how to do it and thought a simple route would be a good place to start. Thanks for all of your "input"... Quote
catbirdseat Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 You might want to bring a few wands. I am sure that there will be wands at certain places, but you can mark certain points like turns, crevasses etc. on the way up if you like. Quote
G-spotter Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Your post definitely invites abuse and ridicule. I might change my signature to this... Quote
olyclimber Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 my name is Cobra Commander and I approve this trip plan. but for god's sake man, 219 degrees rather than 218 on that 3rd leg! 2.1843223426570237012384202 to be exact, but it doesn't really matter. Just hike up the path of least resistance. Quote
G-spotter Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 OMG THAT WOULD BE FUNNY DRU! What about "Your post definitely invites Zidane and ridicule." Would that be funny OMG too? Quote
olyclimber Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 OK that wasn't too funny. But since it stuck in your mind, I'll take it that it was memorable, even if it did suck. Quote
dmuja Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Hey, is anyone willing to validate my trip plan for the Coleman-Deming route on Mt Baker? Or is there a place where you can get completed trip plans? Here goes... is my first one so rip it up... ASCENT Leg 1 - 202 degrees from 6000' to 7000' ~1/2 mile and 40 minutes Leg 2 - 270 degrees from 7000' to 9000' ~1 1/2 miles and 1 1/2 hours, Right handrail ridge and black buttes Leg 3 - 218 degrees from 9000' to 8700' through saddle ~1/8 mile and 15 minutes, Right handrail Colfax Peak Leg 4 - 310 degrees 8700' to summit up Roman Wall ~3/4 miles and 1 1/2 hours DESCENT Leg 1 - 130 degrees from summit to 8700' ~1 hour Leg 2 - 38 degrees 8700' over saddle to 9000' ~20 minutes Leg 3 - 90 degrees 9000' to 7000' ~1 hour Leg 4 - 22 degrees 7000' to 6000' ~25 minutes This is wrong for the Colman/Demming. For C/D, after you leave the trail and head up the moraine, your basically headed SSE from 6000 feet until you begin to swing more Easterly do to the ridge youll encounter between 7 and 9000 ft. B'tween like 9000 and 10400 youll be bearing pretty much East, before the final summit walk over to the NE. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=10&n=5403783&e=584993&size=l&datum=nad83 Quote
sobo Posted July 21, 2006 Posted July 21, 2006 Your post definitely invites abuse and ridicule. I might change my signature to this... When I read that, your name came immediately to mind. You should do it. Quote
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