faster_than_you Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 The issue below discusses American soldiers using gnarly pictures of dead Iraqis as trade for free pornography on the web site below... BTW, the last link is not for the faint of heart. http://eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/bbs/ftopic4178.html Quote
griz Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 yeah, that is fucked up shit... that second site .... this is a video on the second site of dumbfucks taking care of a bomb in a backpack... can you say darwin award winners? http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/bbs/ftopic36268.html click "download" on the right, in the box if you are lost as far as soldiers getting porn for these pics...could care less. the pic proves they are most likely serving the country over there and the admins of the site are giving them something they want for free. maybe my moral compass needs new batteries but that's the way i see it. plus i think it is good that those kind of pics get out. we see a whitewashed version in the u.s. press and it sucks. Quote
chirp Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Graphic? Please... not really IMHO, just death and cadavers. Pretty boring actually considering this has been going on for thousands of years. Please get a grip and get over it. Life/death happens. How many pictures of dead people can you look at without yawning and thinking about tasty teriyaki beef jerky! Quote
TREETOAD Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Just remeber the fucked up soldiers that are going to return home and the fucked up generations that they will spawn. When you can yawn in the face of this sort of thing you better take a look around you boy, cause you are chest deep in shit. These guys are going to come home and live on your block, just around the corner from your childrens schools etc. What do you think they are going to do when they get bored. I have seen some gruesome things in my life and I can tell you the faces and sounds and smells haunt you for a long long time. One thing I have learned is that death walks behind you. So you better cherish life, not just yours but all life. We are living on a spaceship here, all by ourselves and there isn't much room for that kind of thinking. Quote
Stonehead Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Yeah, the guy who has that site recognized it for it is, fucked up, as in nowthatsfuckedup. It’s another thing to characterize these guys as psychopaths because, really, all you’re doing is moralizing based on a knee-jerk reaction. Can you get behind the intent in everyone’s mind as he’s posing for the picture? Maybe it’s one guy’s way of saying, ‘hey, it sucks here but I’m alive and that poor sucker is dead.” Or maybe, ‘damn, I’m lucky to be an American where I don’t have to live in this shit, just a brief stopover before I go back to sanity.’ This is the aftermath of war and together with its marriage with technology, it’s brought to our attention where otherwise it would slumber, a distant world unknown to our oblivious consumer-drenched lives. The situation sucks and I recognize it for what it is, too. This awareness is finally getting through, but slowly: The cost of this war may outweigh its benefits. Quote
TREETOAD Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 You may be right about the intent and in their minds at the time they may want it to be a brief stop over but most of the time there are not many brief stopover's in the mind, maybe justifications but I am afraid that this sort of thing doesn't go away with a plane ride to another place. What they bring home with them though, is a big piece of what happens to them there. How they react to it later in life is another matter. These are just young impressionable kids, barely finished growning up. I am not saying that they are going to be psychopathic when they return but what they do return as, is definately something to worry about. I hope that they are able to find the help that they need when the time comes. Quote
Stonehead Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Would you recognize it as the potential animal in you or are you just projecting it onto the Other? It's one thing to see a video of someone's throat being cut in the act. It's altogether another thing to see soldiers posing for a picture in which they may or may not be the killers. Quote
TREETOAD Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Certainly the potential in myself, I know what I am capable of, but also in all humans, especially in desparate situations. We (humankind) has, over the ages shown some brilliance in civilization but there is always something to come along and dash our hopes. We always seem to be dancing on the edge, and with each foray into the nightmares of war we seem to bring the edge closer. When our young are exposed to these horrors it makes it that much easier to step over the next time. For the most part I agree with your comment about consumerism and that we barely have time to look up from stuffing our egos with consumer electronics or whatever fancies us at the time that we can't cope with what is going on in the real world. Nor do we give a fat rats ass. Quote
EWolfe Posted October 4, 2005 Posted October 4, 2005 Graphic? Please... not really IMHO, just death and cadavers. Pretty boring actually considering this has been going on for thousands of years. Please get a grip and get over it. Life/death happens. How many pictures of dead people can you look at without yawning and thinking about tasty teriyaki beef jerky! Quote
Ireneo_Funes Posted October 4, 2005 Posted October 4, 2005 It's one thing to see a video of someone's throat being cut in the act. It's altogether another thing to see soldiers posing for a picture in which they may or may not be the killers. The distinction between the two might be fairly slight in some parts of the world. Whether you condone these images or condemn them, you have to agree they have the potential to work as powerful propaganda images for terrorist recruiters. Quote
archenemy Posted October 4, 2005 Posted October 4, 2005 the best war photographer I have ever seen is james nachtwey. Go look at his stuff and read what he says if you have a moment. There is a documentary about him called "war photographer" that is one of the best I've ever seen. He is one of the most incredible human beings and has decades of first hand experience with this--I cried when I heard him talk. Quote
Stonehead Posted October 9, 2005 Posted October 9, 2005 It's one thing to see a video of someone's throat being cut in the act. It's altogether another thing to see soldiers posing for a picture in which they may or may not be the killers. The distinction between the two might be fairly slight in some parts of the world. Whether you condone these images or condemn them, you have to agree they have the potential to work as powerful propaganda images for terrorist recruiters. LAKELAND - It wasn't the gruesome photos on Chris Wilson's web site that got him into trouble with the law. It was explicit sexual images and videos, Polk County authorities say. This afternoon, Wilson, a former cop who made headlines for allegedly providing free porn to soldiers in exchange for photos that included shots of mangled bodies, was charged with hundreds of obscenity counts. ``In my 33 years in law enforcement, this was the most horrific, vile, obscene material that I have ever seen,'' Sheriff Grady Judd said. ``It is beyond the normal person's wildest imagination.'' --Lakeland Man Charged With Online Obscenity Quote
chirp Posted October 9, 2005 Posted October 9, 2005 Jerky treats... who cares... NEXT! ...TYVM. I realy think getting all hot and bothered by this is an incredible waste of time. Look at yourself, you are a nasty organic waste product waiting to happen. Were a society of morbid/erotic freaks and anyone who gets all aggro about this kind of crap, fall's under that catagory. GET THE FUCK OVER IT! Quote
ScottP Posted October 9, 2005 Posted October 9, 2005 this has been going on for thousands of years. And it will never change. It is the nature of the beast and the beast is us. It seems rather pointless to wring our hands and beat our chests or even merely debate about humans killing each other. The topic doesn't seem to fit in the casual/polite/dinner/intimate or even strained conversation categories so what is the point? None of you reading this thread, or any thread on this site, or any site on the web can change the fact that we are a flawed organism destined to perish as a whole in the very shit we create. Food chain, natural selection, survival of the fittest...whatever. We are all meat and eventually all meat goes bad. Life/death happens. No shit. Quote
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