Holiday PC gone mad

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madness

[scott_harpell]

Interesting cause I couldn't find that stat in your google search, but I found this.

In California, for example, where over half the test takers were minority students in 1992, only 66 percent came from homes where only English was spoken, and 20 percent spoke English as a second language, up from 13 percent just six years earlier. These shifts unsurprisingly produce lower average scores. Declines in average SAT scores stem mostly from expansion in the test takers' base, adding more disadvantaged students to a pool that earlier included mostly privileged students.

[jordop]

B.C. students among world's best in reading, math, science

3,000 teens write tests given in 41 countries

 

Janet Steffenhagen

Vancouver Sun, with file from CanWest News Service

 

 

December 7, 2004

 

B.C. students outperformed their counterparts in almost every province and all but a handful of countries in international reading, math and science tests last year.

 

Alberta was the only province that ranked higher than B.C., but Education Minister Tom Christensen said the differences were so small as to be statistically insignificant.

 

"I'm very pleased to see that British Columbia students are among the best in the world in reading, math and science," Christensen told a news conference after reviewing results from the 2003 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), released Monday.

 

"It's a testament to our focus on student achievement and really to the hard work of students, parents and teachers in schools right around British Columbia."

 

The tests, administered by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, were written by 15-year-olds in 41 countries, including a random sample of 3,000 students in B.C.

 

British Columbia's performance improved slightly from the last PISA test in 2000. The province moved to fifth from seventh place in math while remaining at third place in reading and sixth place in science.

 

The Canadian average, meanwhile, slipped in the rankings -- dropping to 11th place in science from fifth among countries in 2000 and falling to seventh spot from fifth in math. Canada remained third among countries in reading.

 

Despite Canada's drop in the overall rankings, the country remains well above the OECD's 500-point average for each subject area, and far ahead of the United States in all academic areas.

 

The U.S. placed 18th in reading, 22nd in science, 28th in math and 29th in problem-solving out of 41 countries. Its reading results are on par with the OECD average, but its science, math and problem-solving scores are statistically significantly lower than the OECD averages, and on par with Russia's performance in these three areas.

 

 

 

Source: OECD

[Dru]

[KaskadskyjKozak]

B.C. students among world's best in reading, math, science

3,000 teens write tests given in 41 countries...

 

And yet every Canadian I have met is a dim-witted product of group-think, socialist mentality. Imagine that.

 

And where are the majority of the world's greatest universities located, pray tell? The best and brightest all want to come to the US to study at schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Berkeley. They also want to immigrate to work in the US - the land of opportunity and freedom. Canada is a far inferior, second choice.

 

Take off - hosers.

[jordop]

Oh, I know!

[scott_harpell]

This article by Raynauld Letourneau and Martine Lajoie of Industry Canada provides a detailed regional analysis of levels of living standards, measured as output per capita, and productivity (output per worker) for the 1995-97 period, the most recent data currently available. They find that all regions and provinces of Canada trail the U.S. average in both living standards and productivity and that the productivity gap is the main factor behind the living standard gap.

 

Proof's in the pudding bitches!

[scott_harpell]

The American education system is one of the best in the world. While grade schools are behind some other nations, the American college and university system is both one of the most respected and one of the most accessible in the world.

[Dru]

The American education system is one of the best* in the world. While grade schools are behind some other nations, the American college and university system is both one of the most respected and one of the most accessible in the world.

 

*if you define 30th out of 200 nations as "best"

[jordop]

This article by Raynauld Letourneau and Martine Lajoie of Industry Canada provides a detailed regional analysis of levels of living standards, measured as output per capita, and productivity (output per worker) for the 1995-97 period, the most recent data currently available. They find that all regions and provinces of Canada trail the U.S. average in both living standards and productivity and that the productivity gap is the main factor behind the living standard gap.

 

Proof's in the pudding bitches!

The issue was education . .

I'm not going to even bother to look at your unreferenced abstract from a 2 page article published FOUR YEARS ago in a small bulletin . . .

 

Scott you ever study economics, you know the part whereby a larger country has a higher production of goods?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

This article by Raynauld Letourneau and Martine Lajoie of Industry Canada provides a detailed regional analysis of levels of living standards, measured as output per capita, and productivity (output per worker) for the 1995-97 period, the most recent data currently available. They find that all regions and provinces of Canada trail the U.S. average in both living standards and productivity and that the productivity gap is the main factor behind the living standard gap.

 

Proof's in the pudding bitches!

The issue was education . .

I'm not going to even bother to look at your unreferenced abstract from a 2 page artcile published FOUR YEARS ago by

in a small bulletin . . .

 

Scott you ever study economics, you know the part whereby a larger country has a higher production of goods?

 

Seems your Canuck education has failed you - the posting cited *per capita* productivity. Perhaps you should expand your lexicon to include common Latin phrases, or work on your reading comprehension skills.

 

[cj001f]

Seems your Canuck education has failed you - the posting cited *per capita* productivity. Perhaps you should expand your lexicon to include common Latin phrases, or work on your reading comprehension skills.

And once again it's time to point out US productivity is higher primarily because we work longer hours.

[scott_harpell]

This article by Raynauld Letourneau and Martine Lajoie of Industry Canada provides a detailed regional analysis of levels of living standards, measured as output per capita, and productivity (output per worker) for the 1995-97 period, the most recent data currently available. They find that all regions and provinces of Canada trail the U.S. average in both living standards and productivity and that the productivity gap is the main factor behind the living standard gap.

 

Proof's in the pudding bitches!

The issue was education . .

I'm not going to even bother to look at your unreferenced abstract from a 2 page article published FOUR YEARS ago in a small bulletin . . .

 

Scott you ever study economics, you know the part whereby a larger country has a higher production of goods?

 

I assume you have already looked at the Purchasing Power Parity figures as well then. Well, what did tha tell you?

[scott_harpell]

Seems your Canuck education has failed you - the posting cited *per capita* productivity. Perhaps you should expand your lexicon to include common Latin phrases, or work on your reading comprehension skills.

And once again it's time to point out US productivity is higher primarily because we work longer hours.

 

from same article

 

If leisure time were taken into account in measuring the standard of living, the advantage of the US would be reduced. However, it is not easy to make fair comparisons of what this extra leisure time is worth. For example, if this extra "leisure" actually reflects widespread unemployment, it may not really contribute to the standard of living at all.

[jordop]

This article by Raynauld Letourneau and Martine Lajoie of Industry Canada provides a detailed regional analysis of levels of living standards, measured as output per capita, and productivity (output per worker) for the 1995-97 period, the most recent data currently available. They find that all regions and provinces of Canada trail the U.S. average in both living standards and productivity and that the productivity gap is the main factor behind the living standard gap.

 

Proof's in the pudding bitches!

The issue was education . .

I'm not going to even bother to look at your unreferenced abstract from a 2 page artcile published FOUR YEARS ago by

in a small bulletin . . .

 

Scott you ever study economics, you know the part whereby a larger country has a higher production of goods?

 

Seems your Canuck education has failed you - the posting cited *per capita* productivity. Perhaps you should expand your lexicon to include common Latin phrases, or work on your reading comprehension skills.

 

There was this *thing* I remember studying some years ago, what was it called? Oh yeah!

 

"Economies of Scale"

 

For the future, we were talking about education. Now I'm sure you're dying to argue some more about the calculation of production . . . however I will not reply to such because it would only legitimize your deviation from proof that Canada scores better MARKEDLY than the US in education.

[scott_harpell]

We just want to know why you have such a shitty standard of living if you are so fucking smart?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

And once again it's time to point out US productivity is higher primarily because we work longer hours.

 

Salaried, high-paid employees work longer hours - of their own accord. These people are often the most motivated to excel.

 

University professors, graduate students, and scientists also work long hours - because they love what they do. This yields to breakthroughs in research, patents, and inventions. Where are the bulk of all these fruits of hard-work found?

 

Socialist countries tax labor at a higher rate, reducing the desire to excel. People work less because the marginal gains - personal, economic, etc are less. Why work 50 hours a week for little benefit?

 

Now, can you say thread drift?

[scott_harpell]

"paix, d'ordre et de bon gouvernement" ou "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

[jordop]

And once again it's time to point out US productivity is higher primarily because we work longer hours.

 

Salaried, high-paid employees work longer hours - of their own accord. These people are often the most motivated to excel.

 

University professors, graduate students, and scientists also work long hours - because they love what they do. This yields to breakthroughs in research, patents, and inventions. Where are the bulk of all these fruits of hard-work found?

 

Socialist countries tax labor at a higher rate, reducing the desire to excel. People work less because the marginal gains - personal, economic, etc are less. Why work 50 hours a week for little benefit?

 

Now, can you say thread drift?

The Laffer Curve is culturally subjective. I.e. in the US an x percent tax rate may be a disincentive to work but in Sweden it may not be perceived as such. But that supply side voodoo shit has been so discredited that it's not even worth discussing.

 

ooops, I wasn't supposed to post unless your were making reference to the OECD reading/math/science data

[KaskadskyjKozak]

"paix, d'ordre et de bon gouvernement" ou "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

 

vous avez raison!

[scott_harpell]

oui, je sais

[Dru]

Hmm but according to statistics Canada also has a higher quality of life index than the US so who's pursuing happiness better?

[scott_harpell]

Hmm but according to statistics Canada also has a higher quality of life index than the US so who's pursuing happiness better?

 

According to Exxon, crude oil ingestion is healthy to waterfowl.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Hmm but according to statistics Canada also has a higher quality of life index than the US so who's pursuing happiness better?

 

I've seen these types of statistics before. What US city is the best place to live? What country? When you dig deeper, you quickly find that the statistics are biased according the criteria set by the person who designed the study. Weights are arbitrarily assigned to factors that are selected and scored arbitrarily.

[scott_harpell]

There are many problems with the UN Human Development Index anyways. Like Americans are 'too healthy' as in they eat too damn much and their life expectancy suffers. This is obviously going to be grasping if you want to equate this with education standards.