scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Well it has happened before Slothie. Do you happen to know about the NYT bias and how it led to the U.S. allowing the Ukranian genocide? Media bias can and does cost lives. 10 million to be exact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Yes, now THAT is a case of media bias to get worked up about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrov Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 oh wait scott, you might be pointing out a Russian human rights abuse .... I'm sure the US would have gladly told Stalin to knock if off, if only the NYTimes had been honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Which Ukrainian genocide, when? Do tell. I agree that media bias can cost lives, I just think PP is being ridiculous. Sudan is not on the front page every day, even though more people have died there than in southern Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 (edited) That was not Russia, it was Soviet. There is quite a difference. Notice I said "Modern Russian Government?" Edited September 3, 2004 by scott_harpell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 So the appearance of this line in a post about the events in Beslan is merely an elegant sweep of rhetoric, not meant to imply anything specific: Pathetic. The media lies and more people die. Maybe you should be more careful with your incredibly overblown generalizations. Please Sloth – The post is about media bias. The example used to illustrate this bias is not the subject of the post. Now the media lies people die quote is taken from the oft used “Bush lied people died” often used by liberal fucktards. (Am I using that term correctly?) Again the tie in is to domestic politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Or how about how there's not much mention of human rights abuses in Uzbekistan? People boiled alive for political crimes. We have military bases there and have cozied up to the corrupt leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Which Ukrainian genocide, when? Do tell. I agree that media bias can cost lives, I just think PP is being ridiculous. Sudan is not on the front page every day, even though more people have died there than in southern Russia. 10 million people in 1931? You have never heard of it? While you are talking about Sudan, why not mention the Congo which could be as many as 10 million as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I just re-read this entire thread Scott and I don't see any place where you said "Modern Russian Government" anywhere except in the quote above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 What was the NY Times' role in covering it up/playing it down? Is this Stalin we're talking about? Congo for sure. Man, there's just too much genocide going on to report on it all at once. There will always be some bias. It's terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 You know...Stalin. Starved most of Ukraine to death. That genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Which Ukrainian genocide, when? Do tell. I agree that media bias can cost lives, I just think PP is being ridiculous. Sudan is not on the front page every day, even though more people have died there than in southern Russia. Slothy - learn some history. By the way when PBS ran adocumentary based on Robert Conquests work the "media uproar was so great that they had to have apanel of "experts" discuss the documentary and provide the other side. Of course after the fall fo the Soviet Union it became obvious that the other side was full of shit. One of RC's books "Harvest of Sorrow" had by this time become out of print. The story goes that when asked by the publishers to come up with a new title for a revised edition he suggested "I fucking told you so" Probably not true but a good story nonetheless. Just another example of left wing bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 That's what I'm trying to do, ya right-wing fucktard I'm not following your left-wing bias story, since I don't know who Robert Conquest is, what he said, or who "the other side" was. Again: what did the NYT have to do with it? I'm honestly curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Walter Duranty, a NYT writer was in cahoots with the soviets and refused to publish anything that was anti-soviet. In 1932, he got a pullitzer because he said there was no genocide going on and he portrayed the soviet transformation in glowing lights. He also wrote soviet propaganda in the NTY. His pulitzer has since been revoked because after the fall of the curtain, the history has leaked out and the rage of teh Ukranians has been heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 So, if media bias bothers you so much? Why don't we see more right-wing bias complaints? Lord knows I see enough of those. But then media bias isn't my personal crusade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Pulitzer Prize! By the way here is another example of left wing bias: link I post this because I have written the AP regarding how they change their reporting without any audit trail. They never have responded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMo Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 As old as the first war. Their "suicidal fanatics"; our "brave martyrs"...or some such hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 So, if media bias bothers you so much? Why don't we see more right-wing bias complaints? Lord knows I see enough of those. But then media bias isn't my personal crusade. Obviously the media here is overall biased to the left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 No, it's not obvious at all. Saying "obviously" is not a statement of fact. If you're going to be upset about bias in the media, it's only intellectually honest to be upset by all bias, not that which simply turns your particular crank the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 True enough. Any media bias which could endanger lives is ludicrous. Obviously both sides have it and one must look into the bias that they are encountering in their pursuit of the knowledge in the goings on in the World. I cannot believe that Jennifer Anniston's new hair style would take precedence over the massacre of 11 million people. This in itself is media bias; not political media bias per se, but media bias none the less. In Iraq, you have the right avoidig the casualties and on the left they avoid the sucesses. Uninformend public opinions of this nature could very well cost lives as public opinion (to some extent) drive political momentums. The whole thing stinks. When it is a blatant as the Ukranian Genocide story, it is hard to even watch news at all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 PP is nothing if not intellectual and dishonest. Sorry, no more personal attacks, just had to get that one out there. That Walter Duranty thing is sure fuct up. Thank goodness we have a free press so that everyone else can try to write and report the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 It may be a free press, but it sure is stupid. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Blair, Ignatieff, Keller and Safir oh... the days of a free and fair press are still a pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Liberal media bias? Stop, you're killing me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 a neocon invoking honesty is equivalent to a neocon invoking democracy, or if you'd rather have a different analogy it's similar to a bushie invoking compassion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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