billcoe Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 Found that Randy Vogel (Fredbob) had posted comments are needed to the FS proposal to ban bolts at Tahquitz. We need to comment RIGHT now, this one is marching right up our direction and into our neck of the woods in a very short time frame from now. YOU WILL BE AFFECTED. Pssst, don't tell Dwayner. Link with great info: http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66511&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=0 Quote
MervGriffin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 "Dwayner" knows. "Dwayner" is from Southern California. "Dwayner" thinks Tahquitz is a beautiful piece of nature. "Dwayner" will be submitting comments. Quote
specialed Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 Hand drill only, on lead. Just like the Stonemasters. Quote
billcoe Posted July 27, 2004 Author Posted July 27, 2004 Hand drilling will be banned. Comment now. Even old bolts, and there are many, will eventully rust until someone pulls an anchor and plunges to death from body weight. Unless they ban climbing next for safety reason. Psst: it's common knowledge that Merv Griffin is gay. ALL THOSE OVERPAID FOREST SERVICE WORKERS SHOULD BE FIRED AND FORCED TO WORK IN A REAL JOB. DOWNSIZE THE FOREST SERVICE I SAY, PROTECT OUR ECONOMY. Quote
specialed Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT RAP BOLTED SLAB ROUTES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Quote
willstrickland Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 Most bolting bans are on new bolts, with replacement of existing ones allowed. Capitol Reef NP has this as their official policy and Sunset Park (an NPS site) in TN has a new anchor revdiew board which must approve the placement of fixed gear (new or replacements). You also might re-evaluate your stance on the FS. While their mission is definitely changing from timber to recreation, you might wanna focus your opposition to the FEES that will be forthcoming. Why would they want to keep you out / ban climbing, when "protecting their precious jobs" as you put it, is going to require a steady stream of user fees from FS lands. It certainly won't be in their interest to eliminate any potential recreation user group and the potential income they would/will generate. Prepare for more fee demo style shit, IMO. Quote
Off_White Posted July 30, 2004 Posted July 30, 2004 Ed, you ignorant slut. Tahquitz and Suicide are not bastions of rap bolting. On the otherhand, I don't think there are too many new lines worth squeezing in there either. Quote
Peter_Puget Posted July 30, 2004 Posted July 30, 2004 Not only that but the proposed ban covers a very large area and does not limit itself to bolts! Slings, pitons and even nuts can be covered under the language used. Imagine a wondeful climb such as Etude. Now think how scary it would be if the FP (below and protecting the crux) was never to be replaced. To think of this issue as merely a bolting issue is to be very short sighted. Quote
billcoe Posted July 31, 2004 Author Posted July 31, 2004 Thanks Peter: This certainly has consequesces which will effect us as "land managers" look at areas around here. There are 13 days left to comment. regards: Bill Quote
Hanger Posted August 1, 2004 Posted August 1, 2004 It's not just Tahquitz...it's all of the San Bernardino area...which includes tons of established (yet lesser known) climbing areas as well as tons of virgin stone. If allowed...this will spread Quote
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