Fairweather Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 http://www.tribnet.com/news/story/5287820p-5224886c.html The slaughter of the Sudanese ALEXANDRA ZAVIS; The Associated Press AL-FASHER, Sudan - They shot him in his house. They blew her apart with a bomb. They cut him to pieces with swords. They dragged her into the desert and raped her. As the world's attention was turned to crises in the Middle East, a slaughter has raged for 17 months in Sudan's Darfur region. Arab gunmen on horses and camels, backed by bombers and helicopter gunships, have razed hundreds of black African villages, killed tens of thousands and driven more than 1 million from their homes. "They say they don't want to see black skin on this land again," said Issa Bushara, whose brother and cousin were gunned down in front of their horrified families during an attack by the Janjaweed militia. Now, with many more likely to die of hunger and disease in camps in Sudan and neighboring Chad, international pressure is mounting on President Omar el-Bashir's government to end the carnage. U.S. and U.N. officials, haunted by memories of inaction in Rwanda a decade ago, have made a series of visits to the region. This week, African leaders also called on Sudan to act. Even so, word of more raids continues to filter through with the starving, exhausted and terrorized families that trickle every day across the 370-mile border into Chad. At the Kounoungo refugee camp, 50 miles from the Sudan border, Zenaba Ismail sits on a dirt floor. In her arms, she cradles her sister's sleeping infant. Janjaweed fighters burst into their home early one morning and shot the child's pregnant mother in the stomach. The shooting induced labor, and she died while giving birth. "He cries all the time, but I have no milk to give him," said the tall woman with traditional scars etched on her cheeks. "Every time I look at this child, I see my sister, and I can't stop the tears." More victims of the raids are dying now from hunger and disease than in the killings, U.N. officials say. They have described the region as the world's worst humanitarian crisis. "We are late in Darfur. We have to admit that," said Jan Egeland, U.N. undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs. He blamed government obstruction, the remoteness of the area, a failure to get adequate funding and preoccupation with the Iraq war, which made the world slow to respond to the unfolding disaster. If humanitarian workers can't reach the estimated 2 million in desperate need, the death toll could surge to 350,000 by the end of the year - a conservative estimate, according to the U.S. Agency for International Development. Satellite photos acquired by USAID in June show some 56,000 mud-brick houses with grass roofs have been torched in nearly 400 Darfur villages. Quote
Lars Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 this has been posted for 7 hours and no one has tried to blame it on bush yet you ham & eggers are slackin today Quote
Dru Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 As the world's attention was turned to crises in the Mideast "No one has tried to blame it on bush yet Hmmm...who started the latest mideast cisis by invading Iraq? Quote
Lars Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 Hmmm...who started the latest mideast cisis Saddam Hussein, the PLO, Hammas, Al-Qaida...the mid-east has been having terrorist problems since 1948, and one could argue even earlier...i guess they don't teach that in the socialist Canadian school system. Quote
Dru Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 Saddam Hussein and the PLO invaded Iraq? Holy shit! You're damn right they didn't teach me that! Quote
cj001f Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 the mid-east has been having terrorist problems since 1948 And what would be the cause of that? Confiscation of private property for the foundation of state..... Quote
johndavidjr Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 The so-called post-colonialist era, or errors. Quote
sailBOI Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 the mid-east has been having terrorist problems since 1948 And what would be the cause of that? Confiscation of private property for the foundation of state..... It does not seem that the problems date from the formation of Israel, of any particular event. http://www.anxietycenter.com/islam/main.htm Most would not know that our Nation built it's first warships, including the USS Constitution, prior to the war of independence. The ships were built specifically to deal with the Islamic "Barbary Pirates" who were raiding US merchant ships returning from Europe. These Pirates held US crews and passangers hostage for ransome! Does that sound familiar. Our Warships went over there and dealt them a viscous blow, essentially ending the problem. Now Ghadafi, who occupies the same lands, and was responsible for the Lockerbie 747 bombing, has laid down his nuclear weapons program and renounced terror. He has established diplomatic relations with the US, after his friend Saddam got his ass kicked ! Quote
cj001f Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 It does not seem that the problems date from the formation of Israel, of any particular event. http://www.anxietycenter.com/islam/main.htm Most would not know that our Nation built it's first warships, including the USS Constitution, prior to the war of independence. The ships were built specifically to deal with the Islamic "Barbary Pirates" who were raiding US merchant ships returning from Europe. These Pirates held US crews and passangers hostage for ransome! Does that sound familiar. Our Warships went over there and dealt them a viscous blow, essentially ending the problem. Now Ghadafi, who occupies the same lands, and was responsible for the Lockerbie 747 bombing, has laid down his nuclear weapons program and renounced terror. He has established diplomatic relations with the US, after his friend Saddam got his ass kicked ! What a masterful obliviousness to the facts you display SailBOI. The current problems between the Palestinians and Israel stem directly from the formation of Israel (by definition!) Libya's over 500 miles from Israel. Quote
sailBOI Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 It does not seem that the problems date from the formation of Israel, of any particular event. http://www.anxietycenter.com/islam/main.htm Most would not know that our Nation built it's first warships, including the USS Constitution, prior to the war of independence. The ships were built specifically to deal with the Islamic "Barbary Pirates" who were raiding US merchant ships returning from Europe. These Pirates held US crews and passangers hostage for ransome! Does that sound familiar. Our Warships went over there and dealt them a viscous blow, essentially ending the problem. Now Ghadafi, who occupies the same lands, and was responsible for the Lockerbie 747 bombing, has laid down his nuclear weapons program and renounced terror. He has established diplomatic relations with the US, after his friend Saddam got his ass kicked ! What a masterful obliviousness to the facts you display SailBOI. The current problems between the Palestinians and Israel stem directly from the formation of Israel (by definition!) Libya's over 500 miles from Israel. It is you sir that is incorrect, this thread is about Arab Genocide.....while you have attempted to change the topic to Palestine, I have pointed out correectly that the vicious behavior has been going on for hundreds of years across the Arab world ! Quote
toptimmy Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 You kids need to get a library card and start reading. The fight in the sudan as I have read stems from control over oil fields. Genocide? Is this something new? Romans, Spanish, English, Americans, Jews, Germans, Russians, Serbians just to name a few. Why sailboi do you blame it on Islam? Quote
Dru Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 this is new genocide, the old genocide in sudan has been quiet for 2 years with the two sides forced into sharing power by the UN. Quote
cj001f Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 It is you sir that is incorrect, this thread is about Arab Genocide.....while you have attempted to change the topic to Palestine, I have pointed out correectly that the vicious behavior has been going on for hundreds of years across the Arab world ! Violence and warfare have been going on longer in the Christian world - by 600 or so years This isn't exactly the first civil war in the Sudan. Quote
Harry_Pi Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Hello capitalist! Name one Arab country that has a parliment, democracy, or congress, and middle class, where women are equal Yes, if it wasn't US minded technology they would all still be goat herders. Maybe 10 centuries ago they had a vibrant culture, but wake up and smell the coffee Mohammed. Thank you fou allow fou to post. Quote
Harry_Pi Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Hello capitalist! You're correct. Now name another one. i realize Sudan and Algeria are in Africa, but I'm thinking more towards the middle east. Thank you fou allow us to post. Quote
cj001f Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Indonesia (the largest Islamic nation in the world) Quote
cj001f Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 But Indonesia is not Arabic. No, but the underlying them of this thread was Islam bashing (HarryPi, SailBOWhy?) and they're Islamic. Quote
JayB Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 There is a stunning disparity between the response when an Arab regime slaughters its own people in the thousands - which is usually a shrug or no response whatsoever - and the outrage that erupts over something like the French banning headscarves in schools. This is striking because the vast majority of all of the misery and repression in the Arab world in the past 60 years has been entirely self-inflicted, yet they continue to lay all of their problems at the hands of their colonial experience. These two tendencies are part of a larger set of problems associated with the ever-growing disparity between their own power and that of the Western world. The ironic thing about their anger is that the more millitant they become, the farther they'll fall behind. The angry/violent "Arab Street" will be a geopolitical certainty for all of our lifetimes, at the very least. Quote
sailBOI Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Algeria and maybe Iraq next : Iraq Next Democracy ? Quote
Stonehead Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Who benefits from a weak Arab world? PLAN B Quote
sailBOI Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 There is a stunning disparity between the response when an Arab regime slaughters its own people in the thousands - which is usually a shrug or no response whatsoever - and the outrage that erupts over something like the French banning headscarves in schools. This is striking because the vast majority of all of the misery and repression in the Arab world in the past 60 years has been entirely self-inflicted, yet they continue to lay all of their problems at the hands of their colonial experience. These two tendencies are part of a larger set of problems associated with the ever-growing disparity between their own power and that of the Western world. The ironic thing about their anger is that the more millitant they become, the farther they'll fall behind. The angry/violent "Arab Street" will be a geopolitical certainty for all of our lifetimes, at the very least. Will the West survive? By: Walter Williams June 23, 2004 SURVIVAL - we choose Quote
Fairweather Posted July 14, 2004 Author Posted July 14, 2004 There is a stunning disparity between the response when an Arab regime slaughters its own people in the thousands - which is usually a shrug or no response whatsoever - and the outrage that erupts over something like the French banning headscarves in schools. ...Hence, the purpose of this post. I'll confess that the usual suspects in the blame america game failed to take the bait this time and smelled-out this obvious troll. (A very-average 10:1 views-to-replies ratio.) Nonetheless, the media disparity exists and this tragedy will likely not draw heavy press attention until our trials in Iraq fade and western news organizations come to grips with their own institutional racism (as previously demonstrated during the Rwanda tribal genocide). Quote
Dru Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 genocide has been practiced by every race on earth ireland america tasmania cambodia russia rwanda newfoundland bosnia korea california zimbabwe Quote
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