Outsourcing: Evidence of the failure of US educati

[willstrickland]

Greedy

 

Hey Burgersling, take that stupid avatar picture off, everytime it loads it tries to place cookies

[mtn_mouse]

Wouldn't mind if they outsourced a few snafflehounds

[Peter_Puget]

Link'

 

 

More reason to vote Bush even if you think he is the anti-christ.

PP

[Jim]

Huh? Because folks with $110k plus salaries are feeling job insecurity?

[Dru]

it's about spreading the wealth outside north america and making the middle class global instead of a privileged group of euro, north american and japanese. correcting historical inequalities in evidence since colonialism. so stfu NIMBYs.

[toptimmy]

Outsourcing is good.another twenty years and the majority of americans be wage slaves for wal mart.Youll work there and only be able to afford to shop there.I love the new world order!

[j_b]

so the spin is: outsourcing results from failure of US education. one wonders what role lower wages in developing nations and greater profits for corporations play in this, peter?

[Dru]

How are we going to raise wages in developing nations without giving them good paying jobs?

 

Its the same deal as farm subsidies. American and European farmers are heavily subsidized while the market is effectively closed to produce from many 3rd world countries aside from certain cash crops such as coffee.

[TBay]

Outsourcing is not the culprit, its Automation (Evidence of effective US education).

it use to be that i would be the one to keep my finger on the button as the cup filled up and then handed it to the drive-thru clerk. now, the drive-thru clerk simply places the the cup under the spout (goes back to whatever they do while it fills) and 'presto', the cup is filled and i'm out of a job. here's a peak into the reality of jobs Now and in the Future:

http://www.automationworld.com/articles/Departments/336.html

[j_b]

How are we going to raise wages in developing nations without giving them good paying jobs?

 

are you suggesting that workers in developed nations should have to give up their jobs so that those in developing nations can have better paying jobs?

 

western farm subsidies do hurt badly developing nations, and they should be stopped.

[mtn_mouse]

One of the main problems is that CEOs etc of large companies make disproportionatly large salaries for the work they do.

[Dru]

How are we going to raise wages in developing nations without giving them good paying jobs?

 

are you suggesting that workers in developed nations should have to give up their jobs so that those in developing nations can have better paying jobs?

 

where else do the jobs come from?

are you suggesting that one should pass laws forbidding outsourcing, or how do you propose to stop it, is what I want to know?

[j_b]

where else do the jobs come from?

 

i don't know but hopefully the jobs will come from the 'natural' economy of those regions, which would require them to consider rational economic development (sustainable), and not because corporations can benefit from lower environmental and labor protection standards, etc ...

 

are you suggesting that one should pass laws forbidding outsourcing, or how do you propose to stop it, is what I want to know?

 

i don't have a ready solution but i don't believe that any banning is necessary. for the big picture, if trade is global let's make sure that social justice, environmental protection, etc ... are also global concerns.

 

let's also make sure that severance packages are appropriate, especially when communities/nations have invested heavily for decades in industries that are now interested in more 'favorable' labor conditions abroad. let's not forget that much of the infrastructure/research that permitted these corporations to grow was funded in large part by the taxpayer.

[Dru]

let's consider that much the manufacturing and industrial work that was centralized in Europe and N America in the early 20th Century has already been "outsourced" to places like Taiwan, South Korea, China, Brazil, India etc..... and unemployment is not by any means rampant here as a result. However, the jobs in these countries developed as a result of such "outsourcing" have been one of the primary causes of increases in standards of living in those countries. I think such a trend is good and should continue.

[catbirdseat]

The question is will the Asian birth rate continue to exceed the rate at which our jobs are exported to them. Will they ever catch up so that jobs shift both ways? Or will they continue to absorb our jobs until we are all flipping burgers and the the asians are elbow to asshole.

[j_b]

real unemployment has hovered around 10% in most industrial nations for the past 25years (except maybe for the technology bubble period of the mid-late 90's, which was just that, a short-lived bubble).

 

i think it's great as well to see other nations catching up with the '1st world'. but i don't believe that perpetual economic growth is sustainable. the earth is essentially a closed system and the days of cheap energy which has fueled dramatic growth for at least 50 years should soon belong to the past. if, as it appears very likely, energy becomes a lot pricier, an economy driven by the consumption of 'frivolous' services seems quite improbable. and we can't keep mortgaging the house.

[Peter_Puget]

Here is a fun exercise: find something written about corporate downsizing and then replace the word downsizing with outsourcing – still makes sense doesn’t it? To answer Jim the problem is that protectionism will only screw-up all of us. I meant to look for the relevant data for ”net outsourcing”( ie the number of jobs loss to foreign nations less the number of jobs created by foreign investment.) I think that net loss peaked in the early 80s.

 

Check out this BLS Report:

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PP