Rodchester Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I am looking at picking up a med-range (15-20 degree) sleeping bag that is two pounds or less and very compressible. I have looked at the Marmot Helium and find it to be a very nice bag, but the retail price is a bit high ($350.00) I am looking at the Moonstone Lucid, fits the bill with a solid price ($270.00). I have looked at the Feathered Friends bags and Western Mountaineering also. But my question is: Has anyone seen or used one of the newer MountainSmith bags? MountainSmith Vision It is sub two pounds, 750+ down, compressible, and priced around $300.00 retail. Anyone know of any gear store stocking the bag locally (Seattle area)? Anyone know anything about these bags? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurthicks Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 i've heard good things about this bag. and it's only $145. that is, if you can justify giving your money to them... the Sub Kilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Mountain Sports Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 (edited) I'm sure these are all good bags. It's too bad we can't line them all up side by side and compare. At $295 for the 6' length the WM UltraLite might be worth a second look. 1lb 10oz for the 6' length, and there is a 5'-6" length also. 20 degree rated. I recently had the opportunity to compare the 1 lb 10 oz UltraLite side by side with the 2 lb Lucid, and would recommend anyone shopping for down bags to have a close look at Western. A little more money, but the WM VersaLite is also nice at 2lbs with a solid 15 degree rating. Happy shopping to all Edited December 13, 2003 by Gearhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 wazzumountaineer said: i've heard good things about this bag. and it's only $145. that is, if you can justify giving your money to them... the Sub Kilo A bit heavier than the really expensive bags, but for the money this thing s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted December 15, 2003 Author Share Posted December 15, 2003 So I went by REI this weekend and tried out the Sub Kilo. I must admit, it is one hell of a bag and at a cost that is hard to beat. I also stuffed it, and weighed it. With the stuff sack it was exactly 2 lbs. 1 oz. It had a full zipper. 700 fill. Exactly as advertised. On top of that, the stuff sack I used had four useless buckles and straps that could have been cut off, saving a bit more weight. The negative was that it has a 57-inch cut in the chest. This is narrow. Unfortunately, too narrow for my fat ass. If I weren't as big as I am, I would have purchased it in a heartbeat. I also looked at the Mountain Hardwear Phantom 15-degree version. A very nice bag. That said it was considerably more expensive, it didn't stuff as well (ease and size) and it weighed in at 2 lbs. 5 oz with stuff sack. They advertised it at 1 lb. 15 ozs. a full six ounces more than advertised. Short zipper. It was cut larger in the chest (60-inch) which was enough. Also, not cheap ($325.00). MH-Phantom The WM Ultra light is also a bag that is cut to narrow for me (59-inch). At $295.00, they aren’t cheap, but better than Marmot and M-Hardwear. Though I would like to try it on for size and weigh it. Does PMS carry them and are they in stock? WM-Ultralite The Moonstone Lucid is elusive. I can’t find it anywhere in Seattle. At 2lbs. 1 oz., it is right on for weight. At $270.00 it is a great price point. (I need the long). 800-fill. Full zipper. It has a wide chest cut (63-inch). I want to check out this bag. Moonstone Lucid Feathered Friends Swallow is also being considered. I don’t need to even mention their impeccable attention to detail and craftsmanship. As usual, they aren’t cheap. 750 fill. Half length zipper. 2 lbs. 1 oz. is right on in weight. The price is ranges from $270.00 to $355.00 depending on the shell material. I’d prefer the Epic at $320.00. Cheaper than Marmot. I couldn’t go with the Hummingbird due to chest size. It is a slim bag (58-inch) in the chest box. FF-Swallow I really would like to compare the Mountainsmith Vision as well. Great weight at 1lb. 15 ozs. Chest cut is good at 62 inch. Full zipper. 750+ down. MS-Vision So that's my report on my search for the ultimate down lightweight 15-20 degree bag big enough to fit my fat ass in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 (edited) I have a WM ultralight and I haven't been disappointed, but I don't have your fat ass problem. It has been warm enough (when I wear my belay jacket inside it) on winter trips and a June night on Liberty Cap with high winds (inside a tent). It's really light and appears to be very well made. I wouldn't mind if they put a small draft collar in it though. Check out the WM "Megalite" which is the fatman's version of the Ultralite (64" shoulder, 1lb 8oz, 30deg), but not as warm. http://www.westernmountaineering.com/ba_MegaLite.htm I have heard that REI tends to overestimate the warmth of their bags so I am skeptical that the subkilo is as warm as they claim. Also, in my limited experience handling one, it seemed underfilled and the down was kind of clumpy. REI bags PMS does carry WM Ultralilte and some other WM bags. Don't know if they are in stock. Email/call www.promountainsports.com Edited December 26, 2003 by Alpinfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I have a FF Swallow, dryloft shell (no EPIC back when I bought it). I've been extremely happy with mine. As you said, attention to detail is superb. I've probably spent around 300 nights in this bag and it's got at least 300 more left in it. It WAS pricey, but I think it was worth it. In the same time frame, I've worn out two synthetic 15degree bags. I don't know what Sierra Designs has to offer in the ultralight down category, but in my experience with FF, TNF, Marmot, and SD bags, the SDs have been the best bang for the buck. I should mention that I also don't have your fat ass problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 I have a WM Megalite with 2oz.overfill. I am 5'9" 185# it is a pretty roomy bag. I can put on layers if it's gets pretty cold and still have room. Hermits Hut has some of WM bags with free overfill, free shipping, and a free down pillow: http://www.hermitshut.com/wesmoun.html Good people to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Anyone had a chance to check out the Vision yet? I'm considering picking one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 Actually, I just picked one up. I am impressed so far. It is light. However, I haven't had a chance to test it out yet. I was able to get a good "deal" on it. I did look at, in the store, the WM Ultralite (at PMS). Wow, what a nice bag. The loft was amazing and it came in right on its advertised weight. But it was just too spendy. I went back and looked at the REI Sub-kilo since its redesign and again, for the money I was pretty impressed. Right on its advertised weight. I still say, for the money one of the best down light weight bags in this temp range. I have been unable to pick up, or even look at a Moonstone Lucid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 That sounds similar to my situation - I'd be interested to see your feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Husbands Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 i just bought a MS wisp. AAC members get a discount, which made this the bargain bag for me (i think they say 1lb 5oz but i havent weighed it.) used it this weekend in icicle crk, warm enough at around freezing. so far i like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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