rbw1966 Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Erden you are truly a remarkable person. I wish you the best on the pursuit of your dreams. I'll be working on my OBD and reading of your exploits.
Hans_Blix Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Erden You may want to reconsider your efforst. Forget rowing, call this woman. French windsurfer crosses Pacific Tuesday, November 4, 2003 Posted: 10:02 AM EST (1502 GMT) PARIS, France (Reuters) -- A French windsurfer, Raphaela Le Gouvello, has completed the first solo crossing of the Pacific from Peru to Tahiti. The 43-year-old arrived in Papeete on Monday after travelling 4,455 miles in 89 days and seven hours, her Web site reported. She has already completed solo crossings of the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. She was escorted into Papeete harbor by a flotilla and met on the quayside by Tahitian local government leader Gaston Flosse. "You have achieved something quite extraordinary," he told Le Gouvello. She followed the route of the famous Kon Tiki expedition made by Thor Heyerdahl in 1947 in a papyrus vessel. Her "home" for three months was a 25.6 foot (7.80 meter) board on which she slept. She contacted her back-up crew in Paris twice a day to report her position. Le Gouvello completed the first crossing of the Atlantic by a woman windsurfer in 2000, taking 58 days to sail from Senegal to Martinique. Two years later she crossed the Mediterranean from Marseille to Sidi Bou Said in 10 days.
lI1|1! Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 sails are aid. this was discussed a long time ago.
Hans_Blix Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 lI1|1! said: sails are aid. this was discussed a long time ago. Does that mean a boat with oars is aid too?
erden Posted November 4, 2003 Author Posted November 4, 2003 Just when I thought I figured out everything, Hans throws a Blix into my plans I have been following her progress for a while now. Her web site is: Raphaela Le Gouvello and she deserves a toast As for the wind is aid, or sails are aid discussion, a windsurfer would wear a chest harness to hang all day, day after day in such a crossing; that's like the leashless argument for ice climbing. Now, hanging off a windsurf sail my friend, is aid in a fun sorta way Erden.
Hans_Blix Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 erden said: Just when I thought I figured out everything, Hans throws a Blix into my plans I have been following her progress for a while now. Her web site is: Raphaela Le Gouvello and she deserves a toast As for the wind is aid, or sails are aid discussion, a windsurfer would wear a chest harness to hang all day, day after day in such a crossing; that's like the leashless argument for ice climbing. Now, hanging off a windsurf sail my friend, is aid in a fun sorta way Erden. Agreed, let's toast this woman's awesome achievement. Erden, your goal is impressive and bold, I've nothing but the best wishes for you. Thanks for the inspiration.
Dru Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 remember when joey skaggs hozed the media when he claimed to have windsurfed from California to Hawaii? and if I'm not mistaken in TOXIC AVENGER 2 the Toxic Avenger windsurfs from the USA to Japan
lI1|1! Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Hans_Blix said: lI1|1! said: sails are aid. this was discussed a long time ago. Does that mean a boat with oars is aid too? yes. erden has to either paddle with his hands or use his boat like a kick board with no swim fins allowed.
David_Parker Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 lI1|1! said: Hans_Blix said: lI1|1! said: sails are aid. this was discussed a long time ago. Does that mean a boat with oars is aid too? yes. erden has to either paddle with his hands or use his boat like a kick board with no swim fins allowed. Sails are aid. Skis are aid. Ice tools are aid. Snowshoes are aid. Bicycles are aid. A warm jacket is aid. Oars are aid. A gps is aid. A boat is aid. WTF? Where do you draw the line? Personally I think Erden is nuts to do this trip in a row boat. I know the oceans are way more unforgiving than any mountain on this planet. I also would encourage him to use a sail boat for his ocean voyages even if there was no motor in it for emergencies. I would be no less impressed for him doing this voyage using a sailboat. Shackleton used one, Tilman used one and they are legends. If he dies in a rowboat what will we say then? "What a nut" or "at least he died what he loved doing?" Erden has loved ones and he needs to consider that in his choices of crossing oceans. The odds are stacked against him. That is a reality and nobody wants to say it. Well I said it. I just don't want to see him become another statistic on that memorial. Erden, please use a sailboat!
catbirdseat Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Crossing the ocean in a small sailboat is no piece of cake, but at least it can be made completely water tight. The need for oar ports makes row boats difficult to seal against the elements.
Dru Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 catbirdseat said: Crossing the ocean in a small sailboat is no piece of cake, but at least it can be made completely water tight. The need for oar ports makes row boats difficult to seal against the elements. they can make flexible glove thingys over the ports like in germ isolation
lI1|1! Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 David_Parker said: lI1|1! said: Hans_Blix said: lI1|1! said: sails are aid. this was discussed a long time ago. Does that mean a boat with oars is aid too? yes. erden has to either paddle with his hands or use his boat like a kick board with no swim fins allowed. Sails are aid. Skis are aid. Ice tools are aid. Snowshoes are aid. Bicycles are aid. A warm jacket is aid. Oars are aid. A gps is aid. A boat is aid. WTF? Where do you draw the line? Personally I think Erden is nuts to do this trip in a row boat. I know the oceans are way more unforgiving than any mountain on this planet. I also would encourage him to use a sail boat for his ocean voyages even if there was no motor in it for emergencies. I would be no less impressed for him doing this voyage using a sailboat. Shackleton used one, Tilman used one and they are legends. If he dies in a rowboat what will we say then? "What a nut" or "at least he died what he loved doing?" Erden has loved ones and he needs to consider that in his choices of crossing oceans. The odds are stacked against him. That is a reality and nobody wants to say it. Well I said it. I just don't want to see him become another statistic on that memorial. Erden, please use a sailboat! dude, i was like, only joking, ok? erden kicks ass and we all know that. so actually, yes, if i was him i'd go for the sailboat. i think sails would still accomplish what he is basically aiming for. we use snow, gravity etc. using the wind still fits the bill.
David_Parker Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 lI1|1! said: dude, i was like, only joking, ok? Duhhh, I know that was a joke. I just used it as a jumping off place to make a point about where Erden chooses to draw the line. I believe he is coming from a place where this endevour has to be totally human powered and he considers sailing beyond that. But to me using the wind would not deminish the human powered effort because sailing solo across any ocean would take incredible human effort, both physical and mental. So as I said, using a sailboat would not in any way make this endeavor less impressive, imo.
Dru Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 let's not forget goran kropp took the train home through russia. i saw it in his film " i made it".
Al_Pine Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Maybe Erden could use a boat with a motor, as long as he built the engine himself? Even better, if it were a bio-diesel, perhaps he could run it off of his own waste, and thus still be human powered .
Dru Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 for that matter how can you call riding a bike or rowing a boat human powered unless you yourself smelted the aluminum for the bike frame or cut the tree for the wood for the boat. obviously swimming or walking are the only ETHICAL options
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