allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 I have said this before and I will, no doubt, say it again. I am a former Prosecuting Attorney. I have prosecuted about 25 homicide cases. Never once...not one time, did the type of weapon, type of ammo, trigger pull, 3.5 disconnect or amount of training have anything to do with guilt or innocence. Most cops don't even investigate or record such info in their reports. The question (at least here in the country, Thank God) is did the SOB deserve to die and was the defendant a worthy person to do the killing. That sounds pretty flip, but it is also pretty close to the truth. If you have to defend yourself in court for shooting someone, you better worry a whole lot less about the type of gun used, and worry a whole lot more about a concept called "justification". If you are righteous in shooting, it doesn't matter if you use an Abrams tank. __________________ Randall Semper Fi! NRA Basic Pistol Instructor NRA Life Member GOA Member JPFO Member Quote
Dru Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 I like the ones with Bazooka Joe comics. Is there anything more perfectly exhibiting the strange parallel process to humor without actually being funny? Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 Misterbater & Drool, this thread is for my gun-loving buddies. It's interesting because so much is made in the gun rags about unscrupulous attorneys tearing a righteous shooter apart with the type of firearm he used in a self-defense shooting. This dispels this myth to some extent. Now fuck off gimp. Quote
Dru Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 Maybe you should have posted it on the NEW GUN FETISH FORUM where someone else might actually give a shit Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 Fuck you asseyes. All those on my 'good ol boy' list give a shit. Don't ask me for any help when the goblins come for your bony ass. Pacifists like you deserve what they get, so go suck some dick, pussyboy. Quote
babnik Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 i give a shit about it. i dont want to have to stop an intruder with a pellet gun. Quote
Dru Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 just tell em you are a virgin and they'll leave Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 Dru is a perfect example of why the state of Nebraska could kick the Canadian army's ass. Quote
Metalhead_Mojo Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 the state of nebraska?? would it even take that much? just time your walk across the border during a hockey game, they will be too drunk to notice. Quote
babnik Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 Dru said: just tell em you are a virgin and they'll leave man. you are just jealous that that biker dood told you all you wanted to hear and then left with your wallet and your cherry! Quote
catbirdseat Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 Guy gets hit over the head with a bottle at a drunken party. Goes out to car gets gun returns to house and shoots guy. Calls it "self defense" because he was able to claim he was "protecting" his cousin who he thought was still in the house. Washington State: no "duty to retreat" = self defense. Other states: murder. Self Defense? Guy shoots another guy to death who he thought molested his son. Turns out the son made up the story. Oops, sorry dude. Not Self Defense Trask, you should thank God every day that you live in the great State of Washington. Quote
mr.radon Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 I like the Colorado "Make My Day Law" Lady has a restraining order against her boyfriend. He starts bashing down her door one night. She calls 911. As he gets the door open she unloads 6 45cal rounds into him. Police show up ten minutes later. The now dead boyfriend is found to have a 9mm in his waistband. Wonder if he just wanted to have a friendly little chat with his girlfriend? Another one, Florida if I remember. Guy gets car jacked, the perps stuff him into the trunk of his car. The perps drive for a few minutes and then stop to check the guy, they think he might have a cell phone. Perps unlock truck. Owner pops out brandishing two handguns, tells them to hit the deck. The perps don't, both have their car jacking careers put to an early end. For home defense a pump action shotgun is the best. If someone is in the house and they hear that sucker getting cocked, they've got to have some big balls to stay around. If they do the shot gun is a whole lot better then a pistol or assault rifle in the house. Too bad the liberal media doesn't harp on all the justified shootings as much as they harp on the isolated unjustified shootings. Every responsible citizen should, vote and own a gun. Quote
babnik Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 i would rather no-one had guns, but al long as ass-holes out there continue to use them for unlawful purposes, i will have one. mabe if the media would use their persuasion to help rid the world of illegal weapons, instead of setting their sights at lawfull gun owners, mabe I (and i am sure others) would not find the need for mine. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 catbirdseat said: Guy gets hit over the head with a bottle at a drunken party. Goes out to car gets gun returns to house and shoots guy. Calls it "self defense" because he was able to claim he was "protecting" his cousin who he thought was still in the house. Washington State: no "duty to retreat" = self defense. Other states: murder. Self Defense? Guy shoots another guy to death who he thought molested his son. Turns out the son made up the story. Oops, sorry dude. Not Self Defense Trask, you should thank God every day that you live in the great State of Washington. Catbird, as far as I'm concerned, there is no other place on earth to live. We have it all here. Quote
catbirdseat Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 mr.radon said: I like the Colorado "Make My Day Law" Lady has a restraining order against her boyfriend. He starts bashing down her door one night. She calls 911. As he gets the door open she unloads 6 45cal rounds into him. Police show up ten minutes later. The now dead boyfriend is found to have a 9mm in his waistband. Wonder if he just wanted to have a friendly little chat with his girlfriend? Another one, Florida if I remember. Guy gets car jacked, the perps stuff him into the trunk of his car. The perps drive for a few minutes and then stop to check the guy, they think he might have a cell phone. Perps unlock truck. Owner pops out brandishing two handguns, tells them to hit the deck. The perps don't, both have their car jacking careers put to an early end. For home defense a pump action shotgun is the best. If someone is in the house and they hear that sucker getting cocked, they've got to have some big balls to stay around. If they do the shot gun is a whole lot better then a pistol or assault rifle in the house. Too bad the liberal media doesn't harp on all the justified shootings as much as they harp on the isolated unjustified shootings. Every responsible citizen should, vote and own a gun. You've got it all twisted around in your mind, man. Most shootings by those other than peace officers are unjustified. Shootings in self defense are rare, which is why the media make a bid deal about it when it happens. Quote
mr.radon Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 (edited) catbirdseat you're full of crap....... The media only highlights questionable shootings to further their own agenda. Most shootings by law abiding citizens are justified and the media doesn't hype them up. They only want to make hay about the idiots with guns. A few good stories: Woman in justified shooting of intruder in Seattle. Homeowner shoots pair of alleged thieves Two women capture suspects Alleged home intruder shot, 'critical' Self-defense eyed in incident's wake Slain burglar had served 4 prison terms Falls burglary victim shoots suspect, 19 Jury says rancher justified in killing Bank robbery suspect is shot Edited September 8, 2003 by mr.radon Quote
catbirdseat Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 trask saidCatbird, as far as I'm concerned, there is no other place on earth to live. We have it all here. On this we agree, but perhaps for different reasons. Quote
Dru Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 why don't you guys go see "Open Range" again. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 Dru, shut up. No peaceniks invited in this thread. Go plant a flower. Quote
Sphinx Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 trask said: Dru, shut up. No peaceniks invited in this thread. Go plant a flower. Quote
catbirdseat Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 mr.radon said: catbirdseat you're full of crap....... The media only highlights questionable shootings to further their own agenda. Most shootings by law abiding citizens are justified and the media doesn't hype them up. They only want to make hay about the idiots with guns. You said it. I didn't. Listen, I could come up with ten times the number of unjustified shootings in the same time interval, but I would be boring. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 catbirdseat said: Listen, I could come up with ten times the number of unjustified shootings in the same time interval, but I would be boring. ...and that would be different than any of your other posts, how? Quote
catbirdseat Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 I'm not full of crap. I have data. There were on average about 400 police and 300 civilian justified homicides from 1993 to 1997. During the same period there were about 21,000 murders. Who is full of crap? Source Quote
mr.radon Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 catbirdseat said: You said it. I didn't. Listen, I could come up with ten times the number of unjustified shootings in the same time interval, but I would be boring. I'd like to see that. I'll have to dig out the study done in Colorado. Five years after the "Make My Day Law" was passed the State issued a report on the number of justified uses of deadly force to those where the homeowner was charged with a crime. The result was that only 2% involved charges being filed. I can't recall how many of these 2% were actually brought the trial. That works out to 50:1 against your theory. Catbirdseat, are you just shooting your mouth off or do you have some facts to back up your Wild West theory? We'd have a whole lot less gun crime if a law was passed that put any criminal behind bars for life if they used a gun in the commision of a crime. Quote
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