erik Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 i love john ashcroft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szyjakowski Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 erik said: i love john ashcroft no you don't you lier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Actually this is a great story. The republicans in the Texas legislature want to ram through some very unpalatable bills. Since they have a majority, the only way the dems have of blocking the legislation is to prevent a quorum. They have taken it on the lam. Last seen in Oklahoma, I hear. The Reprobate Repubs are using homeland security to track down the Dems and drag them back to Texas. Gotta love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 yeah that homeland security ...not gonna infringe on our rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 i read this... i dont understand...what are the ems gonna stay in oklahoma forever? they will do nothing at all for the rest of their terms... i think they are all smoking crack repubs and dems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 They are hoping that the Repubs will say "uncle" and compromise with them on provisions of the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_K Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 My understanding is that the redistricting bill dies if not heard (or passed) by a certain date. Kind of a cool dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 new wave philibustering this could be the start to anextremely ugly period in partisan politics if minorities in other states pull the same crap tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 16, 2003 Author Share Posted May 16, 2003 fence this is not the 1st time this has been used and certainly not the 1st time it has been used in texas. Â this is about the abuse of power. using homeland security to acheive an agenda that has nothing to do with the federal government. Â please stop your ignorant rantings. you all too often wait to speak and never listen. this will be your lesson for the next few weeks, until you understand that there are two sides and both are correct. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 all smoking crack repubs and dems.. hmm but you can see how if every minority refused quorum it could cause some productivity issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 there are two sides and both are correct. Â unless they are both wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Somehow I find the act of politicians simply being politicians a *lot* less scary than a single party using federal agencies to accomplish political ends. One may be annoying, but it perfectly legal. The other than is completely illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 politicians beign politicians is them attending meetings, discussing the topic, and voting, not avoiding quorum so as to prevent a vote of a bill that will pass if voted upon... my point was this, if everyone did this (every majority) NOTHING (litterally) would get done in the goverment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: politicians beign politicians is them attending meetings, discussing the topic, and voting, not avoiding quorum so as to prevent a vote of a bill that will pass if voted upon... my point was this, if everyone did this (every majority) NOTHING (litterally) would get done in the goverment... Â given many of the things our politicians have managed to get done, i'm not sure that would be a bad thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: politicians beign politicians is them attending meetings, discussing the topic, and voting, not avoiding quorum so as to prevent a vote of a bill that will pass if voted upon... my point was this, if everyone did this (every majority) NOTHING (litterally) would get done in the goverment... Â You obviously know very little about politics. You should see what the floor of the house looks like at any given time. Rarely does a congressman attend all the committee meetings, hearings etc. And rarely do they all vote on every issue. If they did this, even less would get done than is being done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 rbw1966 said: Fence_Sitter said: politicians beign politicians is them attending meetings, discussing the topic, and voting, not avoiding quorum so as to prevent a vote of a bill that will pass if voted upon... my point was this, if everyone did this (every majority) NOTHING (litterally) would get done in the goverment... Â You obviously know very little about politics. You should see what the floor of the house looks like at any given time. Rarely does a congressman attend all the committee meetings, hearings etc. And rarely do they all vote on every issue. If they did this, even less would get done than is being done now. Â that is a bit diferent than becommign a fugitive to prevent the democratic process from comming to fruition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_noggin Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 minx said: yeah that homeland security ...not gonna infringe on our rights. Â Yeah that homeland security just cost us a big shipment of DaKind coming from Druville via the northern boarder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 16, 2003 Author Share Posted May 16, 2003 fence sitter, Â this thread is about the abuse of power, not your opinion on how the democratic process should work. Â comment on how disgusting that the texas repbulican leader used his contacts to abuse the american people by using federal assests to handle a state issue. Â that is fucking all. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Fugitive? They did nothing illegal. A filibuster is a time-honored part of the democratic process (although I don't agree with it) so I see nothing wrong with skipping the state (a de facto filibuster) to prevent passage of legislation you oppose. I would say the same regardless of party affiliation. Again though, I think there should be a better way of building that mousetrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 erik said: fence sitter, Â this thread is about the abuse of power, not your opinion on how the democratic process should work. Â comment on how disgusting that the texas repbulican leader used his contacts to abuse the american people by using federal assests to handle a state issue. Â that is fucking all. Â Â i thought, based on the first post that it was about your sexual attraction to ashcroft... i think i came in with a very even hand on both sides and you try to flame me... chill out dood...its just a bbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 rbw1966 said: Fugitive? They did nothing illegal. A filibuster is a time-honored part of the democratic process (although I don't agree with it) so I see nothing wrong with skipping the state (a de facto filibuster) to prevent passage of legislation you oppose. I would say the same regardless of party affiliation. Again though, I think there should be a better way of building that mousetrap. Â yeah there is nothing wrong with it, but if everyone did it, the system would be even more messed up than it already is. the whole situation wreaks of "i'm going home and i am taking my basketball with me" pouty scholyard boy mentality... i think both sides are fucked up in this situation and this is something that if it becomes a pattern or something for emulation, we could be in for some real trouble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Put a bounty on 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Bronco said: Put a bounty on 'em. Â Because its the quicker picker-upper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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